Hmmm. I'd probably name the Insight carriers after the Weird Sisters of Macbeth, whose promises of power and security are tainted far more than Macbeth realized...
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Hmmm. I'd probably name the Insight carriers after the Weird Sisters of Macbeth, whose promises of power and security are tainted far more than Macbeth realized...
Um, lets see Simmons was trying to make a supersized version of the drug they use to knock people out dispute Fitz pointing out that it could have potential harmful effects, recomended that if they should be will to just kill Raina, though using drugs to dampen Skye's emotions were a good idea, and has been coming off like Trask from the X-men.
So how exactly does Fitz being not exaxctly trusting Simmons a bad thing exactly?
A not completely unfair project to pursue, given that the effects of the icer drugs in their standard dosage may not be sufficient for someone with Inhuman biology.
That is not a coherent sentence fragment. But, assuming you meant to say that she recommended that Coulson's team should just kill Raina... no. That is not what she said. Her exact words were:
It's important, again, to understand her mindset. She doesn't yet understand that the Inhumans are a minority, that their biology is natural for them. She sees it as a disease, as something that is potentially communicable and harmful. To Fitz (and to us), the Inhumans are "born this way;" to Simmons, they're like Ebola victims who present a health threat to people who don't yet know how to protect themselves from the virus.
She is not actively advocating for Raina's murder. She is suggesting that it may be necessary to prevent what she believes may be an epidemic of potentially lethal mutations. Remember, she doesn't know at this point that the Inhumans were created by the Kree, nor does she know that only some Humans react this way to Terrigenesis mists. All she knows is that it killed her friend and mutated another into a dangerous creature that killed two of the men under her command.
She is wrong, yes. And her miscomprehension of the situation may yet lead to her developing anti-superpowered/anti-Inhuman bigotry. But she is not actively malicious or aggressive, either. Edit to add:Remember, she uses the phrase "if they have to." Meaning, if they are unable to capture her -- and thus unable to quarantine her. End edit.
These last couple of episodes have revealed that Skye has not be successfully controlling her powers -- they've just been redirected inwards, creating hairline fractures in her body. Hell, Skye herself dampened her emotions during a "quake-fit" by injecting herself with an icer to stop the earthquakes.
Her suggestion is not entirely unreasonable.
He's not hearing her out, not really listening to her. He's projecting his own feelings of rejection (from the fact that she did not reciprocate his unrequited love and ran away from him) onto her, assuming that she's just going to reject Skye and be hostile. And in doing so, Fitz and Skye inadvertently endangered the entire team, since the team had no way of knowing they needed to protect Skye from the Kree agent or from Lady Sif almost until it was too late, and no way of knowing that Skye could cause dangerous earthquakes if placed in an emotionally stressful situation.
Which is not to say that the team has been handling Skye well, either. They've essentially put her into a very, very nice prison in the form of a cabin in the woods, when she is completely innocent of any crime.
It's not a situation where either side is clearly in the right or wrong. Simmons is wrong to feel so frightened of and hostile towards superpowers, but she's not as hostile as Fitz imagined -- she didn't reject Skye as a friend and ally the way he feared. And Fitz was wrong not to share important information, wrong to assume that Simmons was coming from a place of rejection and hatred, when in fact Simmons is frightened for Skye as much as anything else, and seems to have abandoned her initial fears of the Inhuman mutations being communicable.
tell that to May's ex. It probably didn't help his opinion on SHIELD.
So basically she's coming off like one of those very religious people who thinks that homosexuality is a disease that needs a cure (Marvel does like using its naturally super powered groups as allegories for discriminated against minorities so the analogy fits).
How is that any better?
^On that note, I wonder if the quinjets are supposed to have individualized designation numbers. Because the quinjet which brought Coulson and Captain America to the helicarrier in The Avengers had "42 SHIELD" on its hull. Then the one that Skye and Trip stole in the season 2 premiere "Shadows" also had "42 SHIELD" on its hull. But the ones under HYDRA's command in "What They Become" all have "42" on their hulls. I guess the producers have only 1 CGI model to use.
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True! And I don't think he's wrong, either.
I can see a lot of different sides to an issue like this. And I think they're all consistent with what we know about these characters and how these characters would probably feel in this situation.
Hmmm. And the "island" tower aboard Hellicarrier No. 64 from The Avengers has a U.S. flag painted on it, which seems to contradict the idea that SHIELD is an international agency.
Maybe SHIELD had different national divisions for its participating Member States?
(Or maybe it's a production error and we should ignore it.)
Just to repose this so it doesn't get lost and I think it something to consider.
So basically she's coming off like one of those very religious people who thinks that homosexuality is a disease that needs a cure (Marvel does like using its naturally super powered groups as allegories for discriminated against minorities so the analogy fits).
That doesn't come off as that much better, seeing as it usually didn't end well.
So basically she's coming off like one of those very religious people who thinks that homosexuality is a disease that needs a cure (Marvel does like using its naturally super powered groups as allegories for discriminated against minorities so the analogy fits).
That doesn't come off as that much better, seeing as it usually didn't end well.
Given SHIELD's propensity for deceptively mundane code names (Sandbox, Slingshot, Playground, Fridge etc.) I wouldn't be surprised if the Avengers carrier is codenamed something like "The Boat".
As for the Insight carriers, they probably never got to the point of getting formal code names, but if they did I think Hydra would have picked something a little more ostentations. Probably something out of Greek mythology. The likes of Karkinos, Echidna & Typhon leap to mind for obvious reasons, but something along the lines of Cerberus, Chimera and Orthrus could do just as well.
Let's not rule out Curly, Larry, and Moe; or Huey, Dewey, and Louie.
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It does look like the projections from the sides are similar to the 64 when she was in standard carrier mode, where the turbofans raise up.
But the con tower is much smaller and slimmer, she may be a smaller variant helicarrier with a flat deck like the Insight class, but older, forcing all the aircraft to the main deck.
It does look like the projections from the sides are similar to the 64 when she was in standard carrier mode, where the turbofans raise up.
But the con tower is much smaller and slimmer, she may be a smaller variant helicarrier with a flat deck like the Insight class, but older, forcing all the aircraft to the main deck.
Pretty sure those "projections" are just wake foam. As for the design of the ship, I'm 99% sure it's just a slightly modified Nimitz Class. Indeed I'm pretty sure the shot of the Bus landing on it previously was based on stock footage.
Could still be a hellicarrier of course, but there's no way to be certain at this point.
Ah, thank you, I did miss that comparison the first time around.
I don't think that's a bad comparison. But -- I am a bit more forgiving of Simmons than I would be of someone who thinks of homosexuality as a disease. And here's why:
Simmons is not like someone who thinks homosexuality is a disease today. If she is akin to someone who thinks homosexuality is a disease, she is akin to someone who thinks homosexuality is a disease because her culture has never encountered homosexuality before and had no idea it could exist until just a few years ago.
Superpowers are very new to the cultures of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. They had the experience of Captain American and the Red Skull during World War II, and then a handful of people on SHIELD's "Gifted" Index, and that was it. It seems that it's only within the last ten years that there's been an explosion of superpowered individuals.
Given this, I am a bit more forgiving of Simmons. She doesn't have the cultural background to assimilate this information or to place it into the kind of context we the audience do. She doesn't have enough information yet to understand, in particular, that Inhumans are a genuine minority group of people whose biologies are functioning properly. Hell, she doesn't even know that the Inhumans exist as a community yet. All she knows is that alien tech killed one friend, gave her other friends powers that are hurting her, and turned an enemy into a creature capable of killing two of her men with her bare hands -- and that all this happened barely a year after an alien virus almost killed her, and barely three years after an alien invasion destroyed half of Midtown Manhattan.
As time goes on, if Simmons still holds on to her biases about superpowers, then I'd be willing to judge her more harshly. As it stands, I view her behavior as a protective overreaction brought about by her inability to place limited information in the proper context, by problems with her personal life, and by the trauma she's been through.
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Fair point. But the SHV Boat would be a terrible name!
(Yes, I just declared that the vessel prefix should be SHV -- for "SHIELD Hellicarrier Vehicle." I am nerd.)
Aircraft carriers usually get their names years before launch. Granted, we're talking about a completely fantastical piece of technology, but I would still hope that they'd get names of their own.
I could see all of these. Assuming, of course, that it was Hydra infiltrators who got to pick the names within SHIELD.
Of course, the flaw in using super-powers as a metaphor for homosexuality or "race" is that these things are harmless and super-powers are not. Skye doesn't just surf lesbian porn on her laptop, she causes things to shatter, explode, and collapse. Powers can be dangerous. Simmons has reason to worry.
Indeed. It gives him a chance to show off the range of his acting skills.Short version: Gonzalez is Admiral Cain.
Ironic, no?
That's what I was thinking as well. Intervention time.
Fair point. But the SHV Boat would be a terrible name!
(Yes, I just declared that the vessel prefix should be SHV -- for "SHIELD Hellicarrier Vehicle." I am nerd.)
Which is why I said "codename". It's official designation would just be a registry code. Remember, this isn't a military force, it's a strategic intelligence organization. Plus AFAIK aircraft don't generally use prefixes for their names (informal or otherwise) they have codes, numbers and call signs.
Think more in terms of 'Spirit of St Louis' or 'Memphis Belle' than 'USS George Washington' or 'HMS Ocean'.
Again, these aren't military vessels and it's probably not a good idea to give three ultra-secret flying weapons platforms anything but nondescript designations while they're still in drydock.
Had all gone according to plan, I think it's safe to say the Hydra infiltrators would be the only ones left to pick the names.
Given his attitude toward's Fury, him showing up alive and still poncing around meddling with things behind the scenes is more likely to just piss Gonzales off even more.
One might argue that to those opposed to homosexuality, other races, religions, <insert crazy prejudice here> the *perceived* danger is just as real to them. Superpowers just makes it literal.
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I hope they give EJO something meatier to do in the upcoming episodes...from what we saw this episode, Gonzales could have been played by any nebbish from central casting.
^Reverend was referring to actual aircraft, not aircraft carriers. Although it's hard to say which category a helicarrier would belong to.
Good lord man! I realized my mistake and deleted that part seconds after I posted it! 
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