Agents of SHIELD - Season 2 Discussion Threads. (Spoilers Likely)

[Reverend]

Given what we just saw happen to Lawless's character, is it possible that the Guest House alien isn't an alien at all, but a human transformed and possibly killed by 084? That could mean that Sif was on the money when she said the Kree hadn't visited Earth (assuming the artifact is Kree).

Perhaps, but she only mentioned the Kree is passing as one of a number of species with blue skin, before giving a blanket statement that there had been no visitors to Earth (implicitly since the frost giants?)

Plus of course...

Spoiler: Guardians of the Galaxy

...we know for a fact that Yondu (a Centaurian with blue skin no less) and a ship full of various aliens visited Earth briefly in 1988. Then of course there was who/whatever Quill's father was at least 8 years before that.

Clearly Heimdall is not as all seeing as Sif would believe.

That aside, it seems as though the transformation turns human bodies solid, grey, almost stone-like (one person was seen as such in the prologue.) It didn't turn them blue and that body was clearly still flesh and blood, with a number of injuries not consistent with what we saw that thing do.

 

[ITL]

I like the way were were led around by the nose with Fitzs' condition:

1) Make it look like he's almost catatonic.
2) Surprise! He's really not. Just Fitz being Fitzy.
3) Oh.. He's having problems expressing his thoughts. Clearly not quite OK, yet.
4) BAM! He's actually a lot worse than that and has a Head!Simmons. Oh dear.

Well played, writing people. Well played.

 

[Greg Cox]

It's been pointed out elsewhere that the Obelisk was specifically described as holding "the secret of death" or words to that effect. So that makes me all the more suspicious of the circumstances surrounding Lucy Lawless's "death."

 

[Enterprise1701]

First look at Bobbi Morse in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/tvnews.php?id=123281

That aside, it seems as though the transformation turns human bodies solid, grey, almost stone-like (one person was seen as such in the prologue.) It didn't turn them blue and that body was clearly still flesh and blood, with a number of injuries not consistent with what we saw that thing do.

I don't know who edits Marvel Cinematic Universe wiki, but it claims that the Obelisk kills by sending powerful electric currents. That wasn't how I initially interpreted it, but maybe it is true since Creel could safely touch it with his absorption of tire rubber.

The wiki also identifies the equation from the Todorov Building and the minds of Garrett and Coulson with Garrett's line about the "Words of Creation". It also says that the slash marks on G.H.'s chest are also the Words of Creation. And I didn't notice it initially, but the Words of Creation were on the Obelisk!

http://marvelcinematicuniverse.wikia.com/wiki/Obelisk?file=Obelisk_1.png

And apparently, one of the memories Phil Coulson relived in "The Magical Place" was also a carving of the Words of Creation.

http://marvelcinematicuniverse.wiki...ation?file=Alien_Equation_-_Magical_Place.png

Gotta love wikis.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

(And why cast Lucy Lawless just to abruptly kill her off in a car accident?)

To make her death all the more unexpected?

 

[Greg Cox]

(And why cast Lucy Lawless just to abruptly kill her off in a car accident?)

To make her death all the more unexpected?

Possible, but my money's on a "shocking" return from the dead. Like, say, Coulson or Deathlok.

 

[The Old Mixer]

Perhaps, but she only mentioned the Kree is passing as one of a number of species with blue skin, before giving a blanket statement that there had been no visitors to Earth (implicitly since the frost giants?)

Plus of course...

Spoiler: Guardians of the Galaxy

...we know for a fact that Yondu (a Centaurian with blue skin no less) and a ship full of various aliens visited Earth briefly in 1988. Then of course there was who/whatever Quill's father was at least 8 years before that.

Clearly Heimdall is not as all seeing as Sif would believe.

As I recall, Sif's statement was specifically regarding the blue aliens that she'd listed for Coulson, not a blanket statement that no aliens had ever visited Earth...that would be far too broad a statement to make about the entire MCU.

 

[Velocity]

I know how Fitz feels. At my age I often find I can't think of the word I want. I wish I had a Simmons, imaginary or not, to feed me the right word.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Did Bobbie go to the Jean Grey School?

Because that would be my first explanation of the buttons on the uniform I see her wearing there.

 

[kitik]

First look at Bobbi Morse in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/tvnews.php?id=123281

I don't recall seeing Mockingbird wearing red. Seems like it was always blue & white or black & white.

 

[Enterprise1701]

Perhaps, but she only mentioned the Kree is passing as one of a number of species with blue skin, before giving a blanket statement that there had been no visitors to Earth (implicitly since the frost giants?)

Plus of course...

Spoiler: Guardians of the Galaxy

...we know for a fact that Yondu (a Centaurian with blue skin no less) and a ship full of various aliens visited Earth briefly in 1988. Then of course there was who/whatever Quill's father was at least 8 years before that.

Clearly Heimdall is not as all seeing as Sif would believe.

As I recall, Sif's statement was specifically regarding the blue aliens that she'd listed for Coulson, not a blanket statement that no aliens had ever visited Earth...that would be far too broad a statement to make about the entire MCU.

I just re-watched. Sif's line in "Yes Men" was, "Rest easy, Philip, Son of Coul. None of the others have ever visited the Earth." I think her wording means all extraterrestrials and not just the blue ones.

And in The Avengers, Fury explained about Phase 2, "Because of him. Last year, Earth had a visitor from another planet who had a grudge match that leveled a small town. We learned that not only are we not alone, but we are hopelessly and hilariously outgunned."

 

[The Old Mixer]

None of the others I took to mean the other blue aliens that she'd just listed. Others to mean all aliens makes no sense in this context.

 

[Mister Fandango]

I just re-watched. Sif's line in "Yes Men" was, "Rest easy, Philip, Son of Coul. None of the others have ever visited the Earth." I think her wording means all extraterrestrials and not just the blue ones.

Yes, that is a quote. No, it is not in context. In context, she was clearly talking about the blue aliens she mentioned.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The Other is a character from the The Avengers played by Alexis Denisof.

Of course since IMDB is now saying that his name is Cython, maybe "The Other" is his species designation or jobtitle?

So a group of beings like Cython would be called Others.

 

[dansigal]

So I've seen a couple comments like "now we know the GH/Kree visited Earth by 1945" and others linking the 084 to the GH. I missed the connection in the episode, what was it?

 

[Nerys Myk]

First look at Bobbi Morse in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/tvnews.php?id=123281

I don't recall seeing Mockingbird wearing red. Seems like it was always blue & white or black & white.

Looks like something you might find in Simon Williams' closet.

 

[Silvercrest]

I know how Fitz feels. At my age I often find I can't think of the word I want. I wish I had a Simmons, imaginary or not, to feed me the right word.

Careful what you ask for. I had a sudden image of J.K. Simmons (complete with flattop and cigar) materializing to bark dictation at you. "It's not slander, it's libel!"

 

[Myko]

So I've seen a couple comments like "now we know the GH/Kree visited Earth by 1945" and others linking the 084 to the GH. I missed the connection in the episode, what was it?

One of the larger crates (the one Dum Dum Dugan almost opens before Agent Carter shuts it on him) at the start of the episode contained a blue alien.

 

[Turtletrekker]

I don't know who edits Marvel Cinematic Universe wiki, but it claims that the Obelisk kills by sending powerful electric currents. That wasn't how I initially interpreted it, but maybe it is true since Creel could safely touch it with his absorption of tire rubber.

The wiki also identifies the equation from the Todorov Building and the minds of Garrett and Coulson with Garrett's line about the "Words of Creation". It also says that the slash marks on G.H.'s chest are also the Words of Creation. And I didn't notice it initially, but the Words of Creation were on the Obelisk!

http://marvelcinematicuniverse.wikia.com/wiki/Obelisk?file=Obelisk_1.png

And apparently, one of the memories Phil Coulson relived in "The Magical Place" was also a carving of the Words of Creation.

http://marvelcinematicuniverse.wiki...ation?file=Alien_Equation_-_Magical_Place.png

Gotta love wikis.

I used to be an Admin there (I might still be for all I know) and can say with certainty there are simply too many chefs in play at the MCU wiki for anything resembling coherance in the articles. I enjoy contributing to new wikis, but once they catch on and attract an abundance of new contributors, they become an exersize in frustration.

There are also some pretty pathetic individuals who post there. There is one in particular, an obsessive compulsive control freak, who seems to have no other life outside of this one wiki. Pretty much no matter what time of day it was, if you made a contribution, this guy would swoop in within minutes with his "improvements". It would get frustrating when I would try to make a minor edit to something I just posted, only to have the system reject my edit because he swooped on in. Oh, the stories. He's the main reason I bailed.

 

[Guy Gardener]

OOOO!

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