Agents of SHIELD - Season 2 Discussion Threads. (Spoilers Likely)

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  1. RJDiogenes

    RJDiogenes Idealistic Cynic and Canon Champion Premium Member

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    Wow, poor Fitz. :( I hope they come up with some alien technology to cure him. He can't go on like that and still be part of the team. He's been reduced to mascot because they don't have the heart to hospitalize him. Definitely well written, though, as ITL said.

    Other than that, the episode was decent, but a mixed bag. Coulson is now a bureaucrat, isolated from the team, and no longer going on field missions. He even seems distant from Skye. Last year's finale ended on an inspirational note, and it would have been better if they reaffirmed that with this episode. As it was, the team no longer felt like a team, with Coulson distant, Fitz compromised, Simmons MIA, and Ward, of course, revealed as a mole. Adding a handful of questionable mercenaries only added to that feeling.

    And why did Simmons leave? Even if she thought Fitz would be better off without her, which is a very strange thing to think, wouldn't she return once her absence exacerbated his condition? This hearkens back to the "Big Reveal" episodes of last year, when everybody had to act out of character to make things happen. And where did she go? Did Coulson put her on another team, or did she quit SHIELD altogether?

    And Ward. I don't know what to make of this. When he was revealed as a mole, he lost any semblance of characterization and I can't figure what they're trying to do here. After multiple suicide attempts, he is being cooperative, but will only talk to Skye. Is this supposed to be the beginning of his redemption? Is it a plan to lull them into complacency so he can escape? Is he a lap dog looking for a new master now that Garrett is gone? Do the writers simply not know what to do with him? After the awkward plot twists of last season, I don't really trust this to be going anywhere.

    They did a really good job with Absorbing Man, and it was cute how they worked his "wrecking ball" into the mix. Looks like we'll be seeing more of him, which is fine. He's got a very visual power, and I'd like to see them step up the imagination quotient on the show-- let's see some more really exotic stuff.

    And, of course, the Agent Carter flashback was great. I am really looking forward to that show.
     
  2. Guy Gardener

    Guy Gardener Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Fitz is a criminal like all Agent's of S.H.I.E.L.D.

    If they stuck him in a hospital, they'd have to pay/waste human resources guarding him 24/7 in case Talbot shows up trying to milk his brain roughly for information on their whereabouts.
     
  3. bbjeg

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    Is it too soon to say poor silly Fitz?
     
  4. bbjeg

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    Posting a few pics from the first episode. The rest can be found in my albums.

    The Howling Commandos flashback.[​IMG]


    The number of Shield left verses the number of Hydra.
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    I have a feeling he'll get blown up in the Agent Carter series.
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    "Let's see what this does. I mean what's the worst that could happen?"
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    Quinjet Acquired.
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    Absorbing Man in action.
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  5. Masiral

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    I'm pretty amazed at the stranglehold some wikis are under and how Admins refuse to listen to reason. The Harry Potter Wiki is my main example - they continue to insist that Lavender Brown is dead - not because the book says so (she is feebly stirring and JK Rowling has never listed her as a casualty); not because the movie says so (implied, certainly, but there's still a chance of survival); but because a behind-the-scenes book says so, which for some reason puts it over the actual novel. This has been argued against for years, and the vast majority of the HP fandom says she is not dead, yet they refuse to change it.
     
  6. Turtletrekker

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    There was a huge faction at the MCU wiki that insisted that Sitwell may have survived TWS ("We didn't see a body").

    I never intended to put a "stranglehold" on anyone, but in some instances (such as the above), decisions had to be made one way or the other. And then there are people who simply think that they own the place and run roughshod over other contributors. You try and do something about that, and you're a "tyrant".

    I'd rather walk away. When it stops being fun, what's the point?
     
  7. Guy Gardener

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    Really enjoyed the episode. So far the new characters seem pretty cool, although I really hope this isn't the last we've seen of Lucy Lawless's Hartley, I liked her and I was really dissapointed to see them apparently kill her off. I wouldn't put it past them to either reveal she survived, or bring her back to life, so I'm not totally ruling out a return.
    The Absorbing Man was a cool villain.
    I did not see the FitzSimmons reveal coming, that was really surprising. I hope we get to see the real Simmons again soon.
    I'm glad that they got right back to dealing the maybe Kree. I was afraid they were going to make wait forever before they went back to it.
    I really like the overall feel they seem to be going for this season.
     
  9. Masiral

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    According to this article, http://tvline.com/2014/09/25/once-upon-a-time-season-4-spoilers-regina-show-white-emma-flashbacks/ (about halfway through), that was Lawless's only appearance.
     
  10. Sto-Vo-Kory

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    She showed some pretty good comedic timing. Also I liked that sleeker hairstyle she was sporting.
     
  11. Reverend

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    This is *exactly* why I stopped editing the B5 wiki and that place is a ghost town compared to most active wikis!
    It's amazing how stubbornly disruptive some individuals can be. Typically it's the ones making trivial, unsourced and badly formatted articles. Almost never doing anything useful for the wiki as a whole and generally creating more needless work for everyone else that has to clean up after them.
    I could give an example, but they're all so inane there's really no point. Suffice to say it gets old fast.
     
  12. Velocity

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    I still find Ward's passion for Skye rather weird. It just doesn't ring true. Is it supposed to indicate his mental instability? Or is he just working on the weakest link in the Shield chain?
     
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    What I've just read about the Marvel Cinematic Universe wiki makes me shake my head.

    But all the same, I think they are right to say that the scar on G.H.'s chest is part of the Words of Creation. If you look at the marks on Ronan's armor, they're symmetric and strictly lines with no circles.
    http://marvelcinematicuniverse.wikia.com/wiki/Kree_Armor?file=Ronan%2527s_Armor.png

    While this compilation of images about the Words of Creation comes from ABC itself.
    https://www.facebook.com/AgentsofSh...1182894613231/764462483618602/?type=3&theater
    They appear to have accidentally swapped the caption for the chalkboard in the Todorov Building ("Eye Spy") for the caption for Coulson's Theta Brain-Wave Frequency Machine-induced flashback ("The Magical Place"), though.
     
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  14. Captain Qwert Jr

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    Skye, and everyone's fixation with her, is the main weak point of the series in general. It may be able to be salvaged, if Ward actually has a plot in the works, and is not simply dazzled by her glittery hooha.
     
  15. Abbey Chrimble

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    Skye was handled much better this episode--she's coming off like a professional instead of a self-centered kid. Ward's fixation with her is an established fact from last season, so it's good continuity to go with it.

    Am I missing something about Ronan's armor? I don't see anything that looks like the writing on AoS.
     
  16. Trekker4747

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    I wonder if we're going to see Coulson "back in the field" that was sort of my biggest fear with him becoming director. I wonder if at some point the "status-quo" will be re-established with Fury stepping back in as Director and Coulson a highly ranked agent.

    I honestly don't mind the series' "fixation" on Skye too much, it really didn't seem quite as strong in this episode as it did the front-half of last season.

    Ward right now is just... odd. I don't like the, rather cliched at this point, Hannibal Lecter-ian turn they've given him. (Not the cannibalism, necessarily, but with the cage he's in and only speaking to certain people and sort of his "tone" in speaking.

    Reminds me of, if anyone remembers, what happened at the end of Season 2 of 24.

    In that season we learn one of the character's sister -who's wedding was on the season's day- is marrying a middle-eastern man initially believed to be involved with terrorists planning to set off a nuke in L.A. Turns out it was this character and she pretty much goes from crazed Bridezilla to a pretty ruthless terrorists over the course of a few hours. She's eventually caught and not seen again for the last 10 episodes or so of the show (10 hours in "real time") at the end we see her chained up in a Lecter cage, staring coldly at her sister and father and pretty much acting like how no one would act no matter how much they'd been through over the last day.

    That's sort of how Ward feels to me. Last season he was this convincing, ruthless, spy and now he's half-crazy and sitting in a transparent cage?
     
  17. Turtletrekker

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    That's the "obsessive compulsive control-freak" I mentioned earlier.
     
  18. Agent Richard07

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    If Fury does come back, it probably won't be until one of the movies, so we've got at least one season with SHIELD in limbo.

    The Lecter cage is always fun. He'll be out soon enough though.
     
  19. Trekker4747

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    The Lecter-cage is cliched and overused. Shit, why they didn't have him on a dolly while wearing that mask. How did he go from a perfectly normal person with an unpopular and genocidal tendencies and belief system to being completely off his rocker?
     
  20. Guy Gardener

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    They're going to use Extremis on Fitz and then he'll uncontrollably mutate into M.O.D.O.K. and then finally admit his love for Jemma after his balls have shrivelled up and receded into his neck..
     
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