Agents of SHIELD - Season 2 Discussion Threads. (Spoilers Likely)
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Some episodes were based on Hogan's team blowing up a Hydra installation or foiling some Hydra plan.
Better yet, Major Hochstetter was Hydra instead of Gestapo.
Better yet, Major Hochstetter was Hydra instead of Gestapo.
Considering that Schmidt and original HYDRA were waging a two front war against both Axis and Allies? Doubtful. Sure, a sitcom writing staff might be expected by upper management to assume the audience won't - shouldn't? - know any better, but I'd wonder about that.
Are you saying "Everybody Wants to Rule the World"? Tears for Fears thought so, too. But Hydra seemed to be mostly minions/cannon fodder and very few leaders. Did they promise a new world order for all Hydra to share? I wonder what they used to recruit people and keep them invested. Seems to be happening to people today, too.
Wrong part of Africa for Wakanda, according to the Marvel Atlas. But there's a blue dot near the right location as well!
http://worldofblackheroes.com/2010/08/30/wakanda-location/
http://worldofblackheroes.com/2010/08/30/wakanda-location/
There was no New World Order.
Hydra ran S.H.I.E.L.D. and whatever came before that, and whatever existed internationally parallel to S.H.I.E.L.D. all the way back to the 50s. For the last 50 or 60 years Hydra decided the shape of the planet geopolitically and...
The evil plot in Winter Soldier wasn't so that they could take over world, it's so that it wouldn't be so laborious to continue ruling the world, and even then, you have to wonder why the frakk they decided to do that? They've had generations to make everything just perfect, it's not like a gamechanger sprung up from no where and ####ed Hydra's perfect world?
"Cough!"
Three new super carriers, with genelocking targeting sensors designed to target those who are too smart or too dumb, and probably anyone with unuseful psychological conditions and congenital illnesses... Seriously, if you could sterilize the right 90 million people tomorrow: Cancer is cured.
And even then, if all had gone well for Hydra in Captain America II, Hydra was not going to take responsibility or take over, because they already ruled the world, they were just going to blame it all on Nick Fury.
Was exterminating 20 percent of America more or less important than blaming Nick Fury for exterminating %20 of America?
Hydra liked the planet unstable.
Nick Fury got his job in the first place because he is disruptive.
No one got their shit together towards a golden age of peace because Hydra kept telling, the World Council, to tell S.H.I.E.L.D. to blow shit up whenever someone tried to think independently.
Nick Fury was a tool Hydra used expertly.
Against type however, The Avengers were stabilizing the Planet, even if that's mostly because: "Why fight your neighbours when cannon laden Alien airwhales can fall out of the space/time wormholes and crush cities, like whenever." which was Doctor Manhattan's gambit in Watchmen.
Us vs. them.
Which seems like a nice idea when "them" is no one on Earth, until you wonder if there might be some aliens up there who are not complete bastards?
Where was I?
If Hydra did already own America, then either the presidential candidates for America are always already Hydra, or they get a talking to when they move into the White House on par with what happened to President Hayes in Stargate when it was explained to him on his first day that America was at war with most of the known Galaxy.
I think I need to Watch Captain America II again.
HYDRA didn't run the SSR. They only got their hooks into SHIELD because of Operation Paperclip, and in the process of transitioning from SSR to SHIELD (parallelling the change from OSS to CIA there or not?), they picked the wrong ex-bad guys to work with by bringing Zola in.
How deeply embedded HYDRA was/is in the military, law enforcement and intelligence apparatus of the rest of Earth-MCU's known nations...is unclear, but that "Shadows" map is dropping several hundred horrific hints on our heads.
"I can bring order to the lives of seven billion people, by sacrificing twenty million." Pierce's ambition was global. And he knew that once the Insight-class 'Carriers started killing - and started with Stark, President Ellis, assorted personnel at SHIELD, the Pentagon, random people in streets and parks - there wasn't going to be any more hiding HYDRA.
"Out of the shadows, into the light."
You could argue that this was the coming-out party of the shadow government of the planet finally revealing itself, asserting its ownership of the human race. Enforcing their own vision of "stability" after seven decades of keeping humanity off-balance.
So what are the consequences? They lost their top dog, a lot of cells and deep-cover assets, but they still outnumber clean SHIELD agents. And they forced Ellis to dismantle SHIELD as an officially sanctioned organization. And how much of the rest of the world's trying to clean their own houses based on the Romanova Infodump's evidence? What degree of success are they having?
And what does it mean for planetary defence when Thanos or Loki or whoever else comes knocking on the door?
How deeply embedded HYDRA was/is in the military, law enforcement and intelligence apparatus of the rest of Earth-MCU's known nations...is unclear, but that "Shadows" map is dropping several hundred horrific hints on our heads.
"I can bring order to the lives of seven billion people, by sacrificing twenty million." Pierce's ambition was global. And he knew that once the Insight-class 'Carriers started killing - and started with Stark, President Ellis, assorted personnel at SHIELD, the Pentagon, random people in streets and parks - there wasn't going to be any more hiding HYDRA.
"Out of the shadows, into the light."
You could argue that this was the coming-out party of the shadow government of the planet finally revealing itself, asserting its ownership of the human race. Enforcing their own vision of "stability" after seven decades of keeping humanity off-balance.
So what are the consequences? They lost their top dog, a lot of cells and deep-cover assets, but they still outnumber clean SHIELD agents. And they forced Ellis to dismantle SHIELD as an officially sanctioned organization. And how much of the rest of the world's trying to clean their own houses based on the Romanova Infodump's evidence? What degree of success are they having?
And what does it mean for planetary defence when Thanos or Loki or whoever else comes knocking on the door?
I guessed that Peggy and Howard were clean, which is why I said the 50s, and not the 40s.
Although if Hydra predated the NAZI party, if they are 20,000 years old like in the comics, all bets are off, and WWII was probably staged to fix the Global Depression.
But I was serious.
Once Frozen finishes, I'm putting Winter Soldier on Again.
Although if Hydra predated the NAZI party, if they are 20,000 years old like in the comics, all bets are off, and WWII was probably staged to fix the Global Depression.
But I was serious.
Once Frozen finishes, I'm putting Winter Soldier on Again.
Well. I'm someone that bailed about 3 or 4 episodes into the first season. I saw a chunk of the last episode and so, I decided to give the Season 2 opener a try.
Meh.
I'm surprised that so many people were surprised with the Fitz thing. She wasn't doing anything in any scene that she was in. I thought that pretty much telegraphed it.
Anyway.
I might watch episode two, but, I think it will have to be really engaging for me to stick around much longer than that.
Meh.
I'm surprised that so many people were surprised with the Fitz thing. She wasn't doing anything in any scene that she was in. I thought that pretty much telegraphed it.
Anyway.
I might watch episode two, but, I think it will have to be really engaging for me to stick around much longer than that.
Diamond heists.
Maria turns up and I still think "Hey Robin!"
The answer to your question is most likely Superman III.
I've seen that in like 3 movies over the years.
They explain the financial process, and then the nerd in the group says "Hey? Isn't that from Superman III?"
I'm 40 minutes into the movie and Project Insight "seems" to be Nick's idea. Although that's not to say that Hydra might not have been waiting months for him to come up with this idea himself, and they had contingencies in place to do what was necessary when he did.
The answer to your question is most likely Superman III.
I've seen that in like 3 movies over the years.
They explain the financial process, and then the nerd in the group says "Hey? Isn't that from Superman III?"
I'm 40 minutes into the movie and Project Insight "seems" to be Nick's idea. Although that's not to say that Hydra might not have been waiting months for him to come up with this idea himself, and they had contingencies in place to do what was necessary when he did.
Can't be blood diamond sales or diamond theft alone, if it's happening at all.
I'm thinking that they've been dangling one major backer's ID right in our faces - probably unintentionally to begin with - right from the first Iron Man installment onward.
I'm betting on Roxxon.
And if they're smart at MCU Creative HQ, Roxxon won't be alone.
I'm thinking that they've been dangling one major backer's ID right in our faces - probably unintentionally to begin with - right from the first Iron Man installment onward.
I'm betting on Roxxon.
And if they're smart at MCU Creative HQ, Roxxon won't be alone.
I'm sure after 70 odd years of hiding within the system the various Hydra cells have created dozens, if not hundreds or even thousands of legitimate fronts, shell companies, links to international organized crime (maybe even the Ten Rings?) and untraceable cash flows. the idea that they have one primary benefactor (besides Shield's black budget) seems anathema to the way they operate; "cut off one head..." and all that.
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if they have (or at least *had*) a piece of Stark Industries. Now I'm not saying Obadiah Stane was a card carrying member but...well he was the primary benefactor of Howard Stark's "car accident", no?
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if they have (or at least *had*) a piece of Stark Industries. Now I'm not saying Obadiah Stane was a card carrying member but...well he was the primary benefactor of Howard Stark's "car accident", no?
And if you can't afford the good stuff, you buy from Justin Hammer.
It's also used in GITS:SAC.
Hydra has their tentacles in lots of things, but I agree this path isn't necessary. Now maybe Senator Sterns helped get some of Starks contracts, though. That would be another Hydra connection (and would also help explain part of his hatred towards Iron Man). Not that an additional explanation is truly needed.
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