Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by Out Of My Vulcan Mind, Apr 21, 2011.
He kind of has to say that though, doesn't he. Some secretive film shoots coming up this year.
Maybe Bran is involved in bringing him back via TreeNet, depends how they handle it...
If anything, the insistence that he won't be back just solidifies it for me. If he was going to die for good they wouldn't have made a cliffhanger out of it and then IMMEDIATELY went around shouting "WE SWEAR HE IS REALLY DEAD!" to every media outlet that would listen.
What cliffhanger? There was no cliffhanging with Jon Snow. There wasn't even a cliff to hang on to and if there were he's already fallen off it and gone splat. He's dead. Stabbed repeatedly in the gut and neck and left to bleed out in the snow. Unless they're going to shift the Lady Stoneheart story over to Jon Snow I can't see why they'd bring him back.
As for the "oh of course they'd deny it!" line of thinking: exactly what would you expect them to say if they "really" did kill off a much liked main character (again)?
Accept it. Jon Snow knew nothing and won't know anything more ever again. Nothing.
Except that it's called A Song of Ice and Fire, and it's pretty well agreed that Snow's the Ice to Danny's fire. Both are expected to factor in the conclusion.
Jon 'died' several years ago in the books, it wasn't a surprise, and the readers haven't all assumed he's gone for good...
Regardless, they've lost me. Maybe I'll come back and watch after the series is over (if there is a consensus it gets better). But I have not loved much of season five and the finale was the most depressing hour of television I've watched in some time. Too many major deaths, and while I get why Cersei went through that, there's painful and then there's just being downright exploitative. The scene could have been half the length it was, still made the audience uncomfortable and would have been fine. That was way too much. I don't hate watch shows. I'm done.
Has GRRM confirmed that, or is that only a fan expectation?
LOL--this was the first spoiler I heard about ADWD while I was still reading ACOK. Jon Snow, in some way, will factor in to the remaining story otherwise why is his lineage so important to GRR Martin. The precedent of characters returning from the dead is well established both in the show and in the books (Catelyn, Mance, etc). Now, whether Jon returns in his own body or not may be a different question.
It is mostly speculation, however it is heavily foreshadowed in certain parts of the book.
Such as in Quarth (way back in season/book 2) when Daenerys has all those vision in the House of the Undying in the book she has far more visions such as one predicting the Red Wedding (a man with a wolf head presiding over a feast were people eat their own entrails iirc), one of her oldest brother and one
that shows a blue rose blossoming at a wall of ice.
Admittedly it's pretty vague, ut it does make you think that something is up.
I certainly agree that Jon Snow is dead. I'm just not convinced that he's completely dead.
I think this is going to be some watershed event where he goes on a vision quest type thing and sees the Ice King and/or Bran.
Also with him likely being a Targaryen it will interesting to see if they try burning the body and it will not burn.
Targaryens are not fireproof. They burned Aemon this same season.
Him going to see a certain Targaryen across the Narrow Sea could be aided by Davos now having nothing to do.
I hope if he is Azor that he drives Longclaw into Mellisandres heart at some point and the dragonsteel absorbs the magical power.
Spoiler: Possibly a massive spoiler for S6
To the surprise of few, apparently Kit Harington has been spotted this week in Belfast, at the Barking Dog, a restaurant on the Malone Road, popular in the past with the GOT cast and crew. He still has Jon Snow hair and beard. Although in the past he's been happy to pose for photos and selfies (including with a drunken moi), he declined to do so this week as 'I'm not supposed to be in Belfast.'
However, there are photos doing the rounds on twitter and Reddit if you look for them. I've seen one though I can't tell when it was from. The weather does look like how it's been in Belfast recently, but beyond that, I can't say.
Spoiler: Possibly a massive spoiler for S6
Not surprising at all. I figured it was only a matter of time before he was spotted or a casting call was leaked. Don't honestly know why they thought they would be fooling people for any amount of time with that one.
Some more spoilerish rumours about season 6: http://www.ibtimes.com/pulse/game-t...ing-news-everything-we-know-about-new-1977823
Meanwhile, Kelly's Cellars, a bar in Central Belfast, claims that 'Jon Snow' was in last night with other GOT cast & crew: https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10155800492740327&id=297747165326
Update - a friend texted me a picture of Kit outside Kelly's Cellars with others. Given that he isn't apparently a massive fan of living in Belfast, I think it's safe to assume that he's back here for GOT S6.
^Wouldn't the simplest answer be that he's there to film the inevitable "Jon Snow BBQ" scene, You know, him just lying there ... dead? Just like Tywin Lannister at the start of Season 5?
Woudn't they have already filmed the BBQ scene and had it in the can so to speak, assuming there is to be such a scene?
Well, in the case of the Tywin lying in state scene, it was actually part of Season 5 filming, so one never knows with the "Jon Snow BBQ". It very well could be part of Season 6 filming. No word either way, just my speculation. (for now).
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