A Song of Ice and Fire/Game of Thrones Spoiler-Filled Discussion

[Campe]

Regardless, they've lost me. Maybe I'll come back and watch after the series is over (if there is a consensus it gets better). But I have not loved much of season five and the finale was the most depressing hour of television I've watched in some time. Too many major deaths, and while I get why Cersei went through that, there's painful and then there's just being downright exploitative. The scene could have been half the length it was, still made the audience uncomfortable and would have been fine. That was way too much. I don't hate watch shows. I'm done.

 

[Allyn Gibson]

Except that it's called A Song of Ice and Fire, and it's pretty well agreed that Snow's the Ice to Danny's fire. Both are expected to factor in the conclusion.

Has GRRM confirmed that, or is that only a fan expectation?

 

[theenglish]

Except that it's called A Song of Ice and Fire, and it's pretty well agreed that Snow's the Ice to Danny's fire. Both are expected to factor in the conclusion.

Jon 'died' several years ago in the books, it wasn't a surprise, and the readers haven't all assumed he's gone for good...

LOL--this was the first spoiler I heard about ADWD while I was still reading ACOK. Jon Snow, in some way, will factor in to the remaining story otherwise why is his lineage so important to GRR Martin. The precedent of characters returning from the dead is well established both in the show and in the books (Catelyn, Mance, etc). Now, whether Jon returns in his own body or not may be a different question.

 

[Orphalesion]

Except that it's called A Song of Ice and Fire, and it's pretty well agreed that Snow's the Ice to Danny's fire. Both are expected to factor in the conclusion.

Has GRRM confirmed that, or is that only a fan expectation?

It is mostly speculation, however it is heavily foreshadowed in certain parts of the book.

Such as in Quarth (way back in season/book 2) when Daenerys has all those vision in the House of the Undying in the book she has far more visions such as one predicting the Red Wedding (a man with a wolf head presiding over a feast were people eat their own entrails iirc), one of her oldest brother and one

Spoiler: Spoiler

that shows a blue rose blossoming at a wall of ice.

Admittedly it's pretty vague, ut it does make you think that something is up.

 

[Skywalker]

I certainly agree that Jon Snow is dead. I'm just not convinced that he's completely dead.

 

[Brolan]

I certainly agree that Jon Snow is dead. I'm just not convinced that he's completely dead.

I think this is going to be some watershed event where he goes on a vision quest type thing and sees the Ice King and/or Bran.

Also with him likely being a Targaryen it will interesting to see if they try burning the body and it will not burn.

 

[CaptainCanada]

Also with him likely being a Targaryen it will interesting to see if they try burning the body and it will not burn.

Targaryens are not fireproof. They burned Aemon this same season.

 

[FreezeC77]

I certainly agree that Jon Snow is dead. I'm just not convinced that he's completely dead.

I think this is going to be some watershed event where he goes on a vision quest type thing and sees the Ice King and/or Bran.

Also with him likely being a Targaryen it will interesting to see if they try burning the body and it will not burn.

Him going to see a certain Targaryen across the Narrow Sea could be aided by Davos now having nothing to do.

I hope if he is Azor that he drives Longclaw into Mellisandres heart at some point and the dragonsteel absorbs the magical power.

 

[Captaindemotion]

Spoiler: Possibly a massive spoiler for S6

To the surprise of few, apparently Kit Harington has been spotted this week in Belfast, at the Barking Dog, a restaurant on the Malone Road, popular in the past with the GOT cast and crew. He still has Jon Snow hair and beard. Although in the past he's been happy to pose for photos and selfies (including with a drunken moi), he declined to do so this week as 'I'm not supposed to be in Belfast.'

However, there are photos doing the rounds on twitter and Reddit if you look for them. I've seen one though I can't tell when it was from. The weather does look like how it's been in Belfast recently, but beyond that, I can't say.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Spoiler: Possibly a massive spoiler for S6

Not surprising at all. I figured it was only a matter of time before he was spotted or a casting call was leaked. Don't honestly know why they thought they would be fooling people for any amount of time with that one.

 

[Captaindemotion]

Some more spoilerish rumours about season 6: http://www.ibtimes.com/pulse/game-t...ing-news-everything-we-know-about-new-1977823

 

[Captaindemotion]

Meanwhile, Kelly's Cellars, a bar in Central Belfast, claims that 'Jon Snow' was in last night with other GOT cast & crew: https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10155800492740327&id=297747165326

Update - a friend texted me a picture of Kit outside Kelly's Cellars with others. Given that he isn't apparently a massive fan of living in Belfast, I think it's safe to assume that he's back here for GOT S6.

 

[Q2UnME]

^Wouldn't the simplest answer be that he's there to film the inevitable "Jon Snow BBQ" scene, You know, him just lying there ... dead? Just like Tywin Lannister at the start of Season 5?

Q2

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Woudn't they have already filmed the BBQ scene and had it in the can so to speak, assuming there is to be such a scene?

 

[Q2UnME]

Woudn't they have already filmed the BBQ scene and had it in the can so to speak, assuming there is to be such a scene?

Well, in the case of the Tywin lying in state scene, it was actually part of Season 5 filming, so one never knows with the "Jon Snow BBQ". It very well could be part of Season 6 filming. No word either way, just my speculation. (for now).

Q2

 

[Captaindemotion]

^Wouldn't the simplest answer be that he's there to film the inevitable "Jon Snow BBQ" scene, You know, him just lying there ... dead? Just like Tywin Lannister at the start of Season 5?

Q2

He was spotted in a restaurant Sunday 2 weeks ago and then out last night. Would they need him here for 2 weeks to film a scene like that?

 

[Q2UnME]

^ The question still remains .... Have they even started filming yet? Are the cameras rolling?

That was reported to start in a week or two. Perhaps he's just hanging out?

 

[Captaindemotion]

^ bear in mind that this is the guy who famously moaned earlier this year about living in Belfast for 5 years and that it was a nice place to visit 'for 2 or 3 days.' I'd be surprised if he was here any longer than he had to be.

IIRC last year they were filming in July (scroll back somewhere on the thread, I think I mentioned it at the time), earlier than people realised. I found out from a friend who's done extras' work on it. It stands to reason that if they're using Kit, they'd try to shoot his scenes outside the anticipated schedule.

 

[Lonemagpie]

Well, a certain person who notably cuts off his Thrones hair and beard between seasons, and cut it off in February, turned up in the Royal Box at Wimbledon yesterday, *with* his character's hair and beard...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/te...-GoT...-how-do-they-get-in-the-Royal-Box.html

 

[Captaindemotion]

Bump!

http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/game-of-thrones-ian-mcshane-1201554773/

Ian McShane has been cast in a on unspecified but apparently important role, though it will only involve 3 episodes. Enron or Victarion Lovejoy...er, Greyjoy? Or a combination of them? Lord Tarly? Or possibly one of the Stark loyalists/Northern lords who are supposed to appear?

Meanwhile, Kit Harington continues to be regularly spotted and photographed all over Belfast, while HBO execs are now saying that the show will run for at least 8 seasons.