I thought about it. It was right there, and I didn't take it.
Those who hesitate.
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I thought about it. It was right there, and I didn't take it.
Those who hesitate.
Dayna said Kirk asked for him so no.
It does not.
Dehner did not say this.
I don't think so. I understand you least of all. Gary told me that you've been friends since he joined the service, that you asked for him aboard your first command.
Reread that.
It's pretty obvious.
Enterprise is not Kirk's first command. Nor does Dehner assert that it is.
Unless some future producer says it is.
Because Gene Roddenberry said it was not.
Kirk's first command was an unnamed "destroyer-type vessel," per The Making of Star Trek.
Next.
Roddenberry also said Kirk is the son of his mams sex instructor, it’s not canon till it’s said on screen.
It’s clearly the direction SNW is going in since he’s currently undergoing first officer training and is due to take over from Pike pretty soon.
I always assumed she was talking about the Enterprise.
Also, in his biography that’s exactly what happens (a book so not canon but still).
It’s clearly the direction SNW is going in since he’s currently undergoing first officer training and is due to take over from Pike pretty soon.
I always assumed she was talking about the Enterprise.
Also, in his biography that’s exactly what happens (a book so not canon but still).
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The Enterprise as a Kirk's first command is quite odd. It's a top of thr line, only 12 like it, type ship. Giving it to a newly promoted captain is a strech unless a flag officer pulls for him.
I hate myself for saying this because I adore her so much, but...
To be fair, just because there are only 12 like her in the fleet doesn't automatically mean she's top of the line. Pretty unique, absolutely. But considering that the Enterprise was at least 15 years old by the time Kirk started his command, and advancements in technology and ships certainly happened within that time, can she really be called top of the line? (At least a 5 year mission with April, 10 years with Pike.)
She most certainly is still a big deal for the fleet, but to call the Enterprise top of the line after 15 years is kind of pushing it.
To be fair, just because there are only 12 like her in the fleet doesn't automatically mean she's top of the line. Pretty unique, absolutely. But considering that the Enterprise was at least 15 years old by the time Kirk started his command, and advancements in technology and ships certainly happened within that time, can she really be called top of the line? (At least a 5 year mission with April, 10 years with Pike.)
She most certainly is still a big deal for the fleet, but to call the Enterprise top of the line after 15 years is kind of pushing it.
Depends on the person's service record. "COURT MARTIAL" makes it very clear that Kirk is a highly decorated officer... we never even get to hear the full list of medals and commendations because there were so many.
Starfleet may very well have thought someone with that kind of record merits a first captaincy that reflects the record. And frankly, I agree with that. Hard work and dedication should be rewarded and recognized.
Starfleet may very well have thought someone with that kind of record merits a first captaincy that reflects the record. And frankly, I agree with that. Hard work and dedication should be rewarded and recognized.
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Roddenberry says no such thing about Kirk being the son of his mother's love instructor.
Here's the sole passage in which the infamous concept of love instructors was mentioned:
"My name is James Tiberius Kirk. Kirk be cause my father and his male forebears followed the old custom of passing along a family name. I received James because it was both the name of my father's beloved brother as well as that of my mother's first love instructor. Tiberius, as I am forever tired of explaining, was the Roman emperor whose life for some unfathomable reason fascinated my grandfather Samuel."
That's it. That's the passage. Nowhere in it is it indicated that Jim was sired by his mother's first "love instructor."
What we can gather from this passage is that Roddenberry's Kirk has an uncle also named James Kirk. (Could Uncle James' middle initial have been R) and that his grandfather was named Samuel, not Tiberius, as modern canon would have it. (A later reference to "shit" being old Sam Kirk's favorite expletive makes it clear that the grandfather in question was the paternal one.)
So what? No one claimed that what Roddenberry said in The Making of Star Trek about Kirk's career is canon (there's that "reading" thing, again).
I just pointed out your mistake in claiming that Dehner said Kirk asked for Mitchell about the Enterprise. Because she didn't say that. And there's no supporting material from the people who made the show to back up the claim. What little there is, in fact, contradicts it.
Since, as you say, "it's not canon till it's said on screen," Kirk requesting Mitchell aboard the Enterprise is not canon and therefore cannot be contradicted by whatever the SNW people do.
There have been canonical statements about various aspects of Kirk's service record, but to the best of my knowledge none about his command history prior to the Enterprise.
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I mean, fair to a point. A command over 400 member crew on a unique starship strikes me as stretching it a bit. But, as quibbles go it is a minor one. Kirk has always been treated as a special case in his command career so this should come as no surprise.
Everyone in TOS talks about commanding a Constitution class ship (or rather, "a Starship" as it was referred to back then) as a Big Deal. These ships are the pride of the fleet, the best of the best, elitism incarnate. Such a ship is not going to be the first command for a newly promoted Captain. Command will only be given to Captains who have already proved their mettle.
We need not speak further of that filthy aberration.
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It's good to have friends in high places.
To be fair, Dehner’s line is vague enough that one can interpret it two ways:
1. The Enterprise is Kirk’s first command, and he wanted Gary serving with him, which is why Gary is there.
2. Kirk wanted Gary aboard his first command (NOT the Enterprise), didn’t get his wish, and Gary eventually came aboard the Enterprise of his own accord later once Kirk got command of that ship. OR Kirk did get his wish, got Gary a post on his first command, and then when he got the Enterprise later, Gary followed him there, as unlikely as that might be.
Having no other background information at their disposal, the viewing audience would most likely assume the former, rather than the more convoluted latter. Occam’s Razor, and all that.
Also, Dehner mentions that Gary and Spock had been serving together on the Enterprise for ‘years’ before the episode. So if Kirk’s command of the Enterprise is relatively recent because he was formerly in command of another ship, that would mean that Gary was serving on the Enterprise before Kirk even took command of it. That’s clearly not the intention of Dehner’s remark, and would in any case be a highly contrived set of circumstances to get Kirk and Gary together at that point in time. It would make far more sense just to have Kirk and Gary serving together on one ship only: the Enterprise.
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