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7x06 The Bells of St John - review/ discussion

How do you rate 7x06 "The Bells of St John"?

  • Poor

    Votes: 2 1.4%
  • Okay

    Votes: 17 12.2%
  • Good

    Votes: 21 15.1%
  • Great

    Votes: 39 28.1%
  • Outstanding

    Votes: 42 30.2%
  • Geronimo!!

    Votes: 18 12.9%

  • Total voters
    139
  • Poll closed .
oh with the motorbike, i didn't mean to say 'where did he keep it?' (but getting a bike up stairs in the tardis must be tricky), but the sudden 'it also drives up walls because the plot needs it to' ability that just came out of no where seemed like a random jump too far. and i couldn't think of a quick way to say it properly

I thought it was really clever and fun. And perfectly in keeping with Moffat's sillier, more fairy tale style.
 
^ Yes, Kazran Szardick sounds exactly like Sally Sparrow. ;)
...who was that, the old man out of A Christmas Rip-off? Either way, you know exactly what I'm saying. The Steven Moffat guide to writing a likeable female character is just thinking "she's supposed to be sassy" and then making her sound what he imagines hip young people are like. Which means post-modern "urrhurr, it's all SOOO ironic" interchangeability with all his other female characters that makes even Ace look reasonable by comparison. It's only that Carey Mulligan is demonstrably a good actress that she wasn't exactly the same and found a bit more about her character, whereas Gillan and Jenna are clearly just glad to be there and playing it as written. Alex Kingston's performance screams someone delighted to pretend to be young. All his female characters are essentially Dexter Fletcher in Press Gang plus pretending Matt Smith is shaggable in every other sentence.
 
So - the woman in the shop who gave Clara the Tardis phone number - presumably this was River Song right?

Moffat does not put stuff like that in for no reason, so we can safely assume it is River I guess!

* I like the refernce to the "girl in the shop", though it was rather a throwaway line. Blink and you might miss it. ;)

Glad I'm not the only one who thought Sally Sparrow when Clara said that line. Not sure why Sally would have the Doctor's number or why she'd be giving it out to Clara (assuming she knew who Clara is and isn't handing out his number to anyone who needs Help Desk).

Is RTD's back? because this episode sure felt like one of his. It even had a cautionary warning about the dangers of our modern society. This time it was wifi and last time it was ATMOS(pollution)

As far as RTD, I got an RTD-vibe from the opening. The vibe got less as the episode went on. Though things like the Anti-Grav bike did seem more RTD than Moffett.

You gotta love a boss who lets their underlings take their vacation time before killing them, at least.

It seemed a very British thing to do. From what I've heard, they really value taking vacation time there, versus here in America. In America, I think we would have done it right before he went on vacation! ;)

All this "clever boy" rubbish. Everyone talks the same in Moffat's universe. All quick and smug and not taking anything seriously. Pond and Song could have said the exactly the same and it wouldn't be out of place. The man's not got a sense of character voice, or else it's so dulled by his attempts to sound hip and neo-Buffy.

Doesn't bother me that much, but I get what you're saying. While I loved James Robinson's Starman series, I got very tired of everyone talking like Jack. Even the supervillains seemed to have Jack's love of collecting kitsch from the past.

He keeps the motor bike in the TARDIS.

"Idiot's Lantern" had him and Rose pop out of the TARDIS on a scooter. With the similarities to "Idiot's Lantern" in-terms of an alien intelligence sucking people through a TV/computer it seemed intentional.

How is a woman in her early 20s not computer savvy?

The only possible answer is a hashpipe.

There are some people who are woefully dumb about computers, but Clara was a special level of dumb. Especially the Doctor's comment about her going from not knowing anything to making a Twitter joke. I find it odd that she was too dumb, computer-wise, to make a Twitter joke before getting her upgrade.

I liked how Clara figured out where they were, btw. That was a nice commentary on social media.

Did anyone else guess where they were by what you could see out of the office window? Or was that just me?!!

It reminded me of "Rose" where they showed the skyline and had the Doctor clueless as to where the bad guys could be. I've never been to London, but it was obvious to me it was one of the buildings they kept showing in the background of that cafe scene.
 
Oh, Bones, Moffat's "A Christmas Carol" wasn't a rip-off, it was an homage. It deliberately used settings and archetypes familiar to Dicken's A Christmas Carol to tell a time-travel story. Despite the happy ending, though, there's something darker at play in the Who version, where our care-free Timelord uses time travel not to educate Kazran, but to rewrite his history. By the end, Sardick isn't a changed man because he's seen the errors of his ways, but because he's literally a changed man. The ends the Doctor achieved are definitely positive, but the means by which he got there? Well, just imagine his reaction to a villain who tries to rewrite Amy's history to achieve a noble outcome.

Anyway, I found "The Bells of St. John" to be a fun, fast-moving episode. The only trouble I actually had with it was the execution of the antagonist's plan, which felt a little half-baked, but in the rubbery-super-science-which-can't-be-distinguished-from-magic way that's typical of Doctor Who new and old. Aside from that, the it was a tight screenplay that made great use of foreshadowing and formally introduced the Doctor's latest companion in a solid, enjoyable fashion. And I loved that bit about taking the short cut to breakfast, leaving the bad guys tired after a night of searching. Moffat proves again he really does get time travel.

Two thumbs up, Geronimo, five stars, etc., this was more like the kind of show I was expecting in the Smith Era.
 
Enjoyed the episode. JLC is adorable and I'm happy to have her aboard the TARDIS. Not overly thrilled that there needs to be some BIG MYSTERY surrounding who she is though. Can't the Doctor just pick up a regular clever girl? Hopefully the payoff will be worth the ride.

The motorbike up the building was goofy, and the "doctor who?" gag was cute initially, but went on too long and, over all, is getting stale quick.

As someone else mentioned earlier, I too got a Judi Dench vibe from the evil wi-fi woman.
 
Picture quality question for British viewers...

How does the show look airing in England now? I ask because here in the US, it looks very, very...cheap. I mean, Syfy Channel Saturday night original movie cheap. Previous seasons look handsome, with Beautiful, crisp, rich colorful images. The digital cameras they've switched(?) to are producing a washed out color look, very much like those Syfy Z grade flicks shot in Bulgaria. Or is it just the transmission equipment BBC America is using? Thanks.

It looks like an aesthetic decision. All digital footage for TV or film is color graded after it's shot, so when you're watching professional material, the 'look' is never going to appear how the cameras captured it. In this new season, the blacks are crushed, colors muted in outdoors shots, and the whole thing has a slight blue tint to it. It's definitely intentional, and I personally thought it looked pretty good, very cinematic.

I'm not British, but here's caps from the original feed:







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(Check out that woman's coat on the left; there's no detail in it at all. They've definitely crushed the darks way down.)


The color palette appears to get less saturated and colder as the episode goes on, which I hadn't noticed before. Maybe to enhance a sense of a looming threat?
Thank you. It's probably a combination of both production choice and BBC America transmission. They ran Torchwood Children of Earth today, and it had the same washed out color look as DW did last night..
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^ Wow, that does look pretty awful. It's like the contrast/saturation was toned down for some reason. (Transmission for DW looked beautiful on SPACE here in Canada). And that BBC America thing for Orphan Black in the lower corner is so distracting!
 
There's certain codecs, like H.264, that don't display properly in Quicktime on Windows machines, which causes an effect like that. It looks like BBCA may have received the episodes as a QT file and just ran it on a Windows box straight to air without checking the quality.

In fact, I just checked the white and black values of the Torchwood caps and they match the listed ranges in that link, so that's probably what happened.
 
Doc: "Suppose there was something living in the wifi. Harvesting human minds, extracting them... imagine that. Human souls trapped like flies in the world wide web, stuck forever, crying out for help."

Clara: "Isn't that basically Twitter?"

:lol:

That's a detail that doesn't really make sense, when you think about it: the Doctor takes it as evidence that she now knows about the internet when she didn't before, but she did know about the internet, enough to want to log onto it even if she didn't know how, and similarly she'd have heard about politicians or actors or footballers saying stupid things on twitter even if she didn't use it herself.
 
This was the ep that cemented Matt Smith as my favourite Doctor since McCoy. Eccleston and Tennant were intentionally less eccentric, less alien and more accessible for The Saturday Night Takeaway crowd whereas Smith is truly The Doctor.

Found his little dance hilarious too when he described what young people do :).
 
This was the ep that cemented Matt Smith as my favourite Doctor since McCoy. Eccleston and Tennant were intentionally less eccentric, less alien and more accessible for The Saturday Night Takeaway crowd whereas Smith is truly The Doctor.

Found his little dance hilarious too when he described what young people do :).

As soon as I can figure out where the Upvote button is, I'm giving you karma for your insightfulness. This is one of my favorites of the Matt Smith Era.
 
This is one of my favorites of the Matt Smith Era.

The Girl Who Waited and Amy's Choice remain my favourites of the Matt Smith era. Gave both solid 10/10s.

Last night's was great though. Saw people online complaining it was "Too confusing!" but I like these complicated story arcs and much prefer them to dumbed down, bare bones storytelling.
 
Another simply ok, non-sensical episode. Definitely like Clara though, she brings some personality to the scenes she was in..

Deadly wifi? Din't see much purpose to the episode.

I am SO GLAD that got rid of that awful, awful TARDIS control room!!! I think the new one is the best ever.

RAMA
 
As for washed out, make of this what you will...
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EDIT: oops wrong TV setting between inputs, this is more representative
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I thought it was ok, and it got better towards the end, especially with the reset of Celie Imrie et al. I dunno, I'm reserving judgement till I see it again because I have a sneaking suspicion I'll like it more second time around. I don't think I was in the right mood to watch it last night.

A lot of it seemed very familiar though, a kind of mix of Partners in Crime, The Idiot Lantern and the library two parter (spoonheads seem v similar to the library nodes- "Clara Oswald has now been saved".)

I'll be back once I've watched it again :p
 
Deadly wifi? Din't see much purpose to the episode.
Then you haven't paid much attention to Moffatt's style of storytelling. At least as far as Doctor Who is concerned. (Hint: The first episode tells you just about everything you need to know in retrospect.)
 
Then you haven't paid much attention to Moffatt's style of storytelling. At least as far as Doctor Who is concerned. (Hint: The first episode tells you just about everything you need to know in retrospect.)

Your avatar is from the greatest videogame I've ever played. Much respect!
 
There's certain codecs, like H.264, that don't display properly in Quicktime on Windows machines, which causes an effect like that. It looks like BBCA may have received the episodes as a QT file and just ran it on a Windows box straight to air without checking the quality.

In fact, I just checked the white and black values of the Torchwood caps and they match the listed ranges in that link, so that's probably what happened.
I should note that those screencaps were made using VLC Player, from a recording made on a dvd recorder, in SP mode, from a SD (digital cable) channel. Comcrap Cable.

The End of Time Pts 1-2, also shown today, looked normal, as in colorful, rich, textured film grade quality. The Eleventh Hour is playing now, and it too looks fine.
That's what had me so concerned when I watched last night.
 
I should note that those screencaps were made using VLC Player, from a recording made on a dvd recorder, in SP mode, from a SD (digital cable) channel. Comcrap Cable.

At least you're watching them in color! ;)

I'm disappointed with Comcrap HD anyway, I don't know if it's BBCA or Comcast to blame. I get nasty noise breakup sometimes when there's heavy action with certain colors. I suspect it's heavily compressed.
 
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