i loved Moff saying on Confidential that the Doctor's usually a nice-looking man, sometimes older, sometimes younger and NONE of the femal companions look at him that way? NAAAAAAAAAH....
5x05 Flesh and Stone (Grading/Discussion) SPOILERS!
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Well done, ITL. I went back and re-watched the scenes in question on a computer monitor and the higher resolution convinced me that although the movement was the same, it was just supposed to be a malfunctioning target coordinator or some such.
This didn't pan out, but good sleuthing all around! I'm just glad I wasn't the only one who noticed that.
Well, River has to kill him, or at least be present at his death, because that's the only way the Doctor would tell anyone his real name (that River supposedly knows and used to make 10 trust her).
um... marriage?
BRILLIANT!
I thought this was great. Both parts are great, classic Moffat. Hes adapted the Angels from the initial Blink-esque to a more creepy army of them who can inhabit peoples minds, and move in real time instead of when the light goes out. Which was creepy.
Smiths performance just seems to get more and more darker and serious every week, especially when he shouted at River and again when hes talking to Amy when shes curled up on the rock. He seems to just flit between angry/happy/shocked et al in such quick succession that it wears you out trrying to keep up with him.
Still love the part where he figures out that there is an angel in Amys mind, he clasps his hands over his mouth like an excited five year old whos just learned to tie his laces. Pure brilliance.
The whole time distortion/crack/end of the universe thing is just head ache generating. Seems to be following Amy wherever they go. And, like a few others, found myself wondering...
... Are there two Doctors in that forest?
We see him lose the jacket when the Angel grabs the collar, then we see the whole scene where hes trying to save Amy from the mind-angel, then he leaves... Then, he comes back a few seconds later with the jacket on but the sleeves rolled up... Then in the following scene he again has no jacket while River and Octavian.
No jacket...
Jacket...
No jacket in the scene after...
Its either a deliberate Moffat-esque scene setter/paradox or its a huge continuuity gaff that was missed.
I like the idea of Moffat having two Doctors in a timeline Back to the Future style path crossing, well find out later if he has planned it, but its cool though.
Not to mention what the Doctor says.
Doctor: Amy, you need to start trusting me, it's never been more important.
Amy: But you don't always tell me the truth.
Doctor: If I always told you the truth I wouldn't need you to trust me.
Amy: Doctor, the crack in my wall, how can it be here?
Doctor: I dunno yet but I'm working it out. Now, listen. Remember what I told you when you were seven?
Amy: What did you tell me?
Doctor: No, no see that's not the point. You have to remember.
Amy: Remember what.
Personally, what I think, it is another Doctor. The scene where he goes back to Amy sitting on her suitcase in the garden in the morning, he probably told her something very important, but time is being rewritten and she has forgotten. It's something to do with the crack, and it's clearly affecting the Doctor in a bad way when he visits her again in the forest. Get theorising!
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Matt Smith is awesome love how he portrays Doctor Who and the episode was brilliant.
It won't, not exactly. Moffat has a different view of time travel than Davies. The premises behind "Father's Day" (where changing history has very bad repercussions) or "The Waters of Mars" (where there are fixed points in time that cannot be altered) Moffat doesn't accept. I would cite "Continuity Errors," where the seventh Doctor quite casually alters and rewrites a librarian's life many times over as the prime example, but there are others such as "The Forest of the Dead" (where River's sacrifice is predicated on the idea that the Doctor can alter his own history, hence her need to prevent him from making an attempt to save her). Moffat's Doctor, when and if he rewrites history, won't gloat about it like RTD's Doctor did in "The Waters of Mars"; he'll simply do it.
BRILLIANT!
I thought this was great. Both parts are great, classic Moffat. Hes adapted the Angels from the initial Blink-esque to a more creepy army of them who can inhabit peoples minds, and move in real time instead of when the light goes out. Which was creepy.
Smiths performance just seems to get more and more darker and serious every week, especially when he shouted at River and again when hes talking to Amy when shes curled up on the rock. He seems to just flit between angry/happy/shocked et al in such quick succession that it wears you out trrying to keep up with him.
Still love the part where he figures out that there is an angel in Amys mind, he clasps his hands over his mouth like an excited five year old whos just learned to tie his laces. Pure brilliance.
The whole time distortion/crack/end of the universe thing is just head ache generating. Seems to be following Amy wherever they go. And, like a few others, found myself wondering...
... Are there two Doctors in that forest?
We see him lose the jacket when the Angel grabs the collar, then we see the whole scene where hes trying to save Amy from the mind-angel, then he leaves... Then, he comes back a few seconds later with the jacket on but the sleeves rolled up... Then in the following scene he again has no jacket while River and Octavian.
No jacket...
Jacket...
No jacket in the scene after...
Its either a deliberate Moffat-esque scene setter/paradox or its a huge continuuity gaff that was missed.
I like the idea of Moffat having two Doctors in a timeline Back to the Future style path crossing, well find out later if he has planned it, but its cool though.
Not to mention what the Doctor says.
Doctor: Amy, you need to start trusting me, it's never been more important.
Amy: But you don't always tell me the truth.
Doctor: If I always told you the truth I wouldn't need you to trust me.
Amy: Doctor, the crack in my wall, how can it be here?
Doctor: I dunno yet but I'm working it out. Now, listen. Remember what I told you when you were seven?
Amy: What did you tell me?
Doctor: No, no see that's not the point. You have to remember.
Amy: Remember what.
Personally, what I think, it is another Doctor. The scene where he goes back to Amy sitting on her suitcase in the garden in the morning, he probably told her something very important, but time is being rewritten and she has forgotten. It's something to do with the crack, and it's clearly affecting the Doctor in a bad way when he visits her again in the forest. Get theorising!
The other thing is - we saw in the previous episode that he could land the tardis silently - so maybe that wasn't a throw-away gag, it was to explain how the tardis could land two feet away from an amy with her eyes shut and her not notice.
I think in the last episode we are going to see the Doctor revisit a number of episodes.
In the first episode, he revisit Amy as a seven year old child (which we see part of at the end of the episode), here he revisits her to remind her of the first visit.
Nah! I love Colin and Nicola. Not always the outfits or era, sure. But, the Sixth Doctor was a great relief after the calmness of Davison... 
We do, but either it's wrong, it's been less than two years since the bulk of "Eleventh Hour", or Rory's phone is wrong.
Checkmate
Commodore
Yeah, screw the fact that they gave us a definitive date which we can backtrack events from (Eleventh Hour took place in 1996 and 2008, wedding day it in 2010). It's much more likely that a minor, insignificant prop error is far more accurate.
Oh, I'm sorry, let me add a wry winky face so I can use it as an excuse for talking out of my ass.
Oh, I'm sorry, let me add a wry winky face so I can use it as an excuse for talking out of my ass.
Well... depending on how things go, the prop error might be more accurate; if Amy is supposed to be from a post-"The End of Time" world, that means she's from 2011 or later.
I think the point that Andrew is making is that "The Stolen Earth"/"Journey's End" is also set in 2009, and the Doctor refers back to that in "Victory of the Daleks" as something that Amy should remember, which means that the bulk of "The Eleventh Hour" should be after "Journey's End," which means that two years later and Amy's wedding would be mid-2011 at the earliest.
BRILLIANT!
I thought this was great. Both parts are great, classic Moffat. Hes adapted the Angels from the initial Blink-esque to a more creepy army of them who can inhabit peoples minds, and move in real time instead of when the light goes out. Which was creepy.
Smiths performance just seems to get more and more darker and serious every week, especially when he shouted at River and again when hes talking to Amy when shes curled up on the rock. He seems to just flit between angry/happy/shocked et al in such quick succession that it wears you out trrying to keep up with him.
Still love the part where he figures out that there is an angel in Amys mind, he clasps his hands over his mouth like an excited five year old whos just learned to tie his laces. Pure brilliance.
The whole time distortion/crack/end of the universe thing is just head ache generating. Seems to be following Amy wherever they go. And, like a few others, found myself wondering...
... Are there two Doctors in that forest?
We see him lose the jacket when the Angel grabs the collar, then we see the whole scene where hes trying to save Amy from the mind-angel, then he leaves... Then, he comes back a few seconds later with the jacket on but the sleeves rolled up... Then in the following scene he again has no jacket while River and Octavian.
No jacket...
Jacket...
No jacket in the scene after...
Its either a deliberate Moffat-esque scene setter/paradox or its a huge continuuity gaff that was missed.
I like the idea of Moffat having two Doctors in a timeline Back to the Future style path crossing, well find out later if he has planned it, but its cool though.
It would have been really cool if you could see his bowtie and it was blue. That might have been too hit over the head obvious.
It doesn't mean the bulk of "Eleventh Hour" is after "Journey's End," just that the very end is.
I have to be honest and say that no, it wasn't.
Yes, "The Stolen Earth"/"Journey's End" are set in 2009, which means that "Planet of the Dead" takes place in 2010. I can't think of any explicit references in "The End of Time" that require it to happen after "Planet of the Dead". But I have a real hard time believing that to be the intent.
Mixed feelings. I think the changes to the angels have made them a bit ridiculous and I'm not sure what to think of Amy at the end. However, some of the dialogue is fun and bright and I do like the crack coming into play earlier than expected. Still not firing on all cylinders for me yet.
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