5x05 Flesh and Stone (Grading/Discussion) SPOILERS!

[Saul]

Great episode. I do think it's a different Doctor that talks to Amy, the other one was leaving. It could be viewed as him coming back or the other one stepping in. The Doctor seems different. His tone, the way he talks to her is more caring.

I wondered if the changed timeline had anything to do with "The Waters of Mars" and what did River really do? Was it the Doctor or another Doctor.

 

[Sci]

Different people react in different ways to traumatic events, but it's a well-established phenomenon that in the wake of major traumatic events, many people do cope by engaging in more physical intimacy. After 9/11, for instance, there were widespread reports of people coupling up, and of couples becoming much closer than they had been, even leading to a post-9/11 baby boom.

Maybe she just fancied a fuck?

I doubt that Amy would have talked so much about how facing death made her re-consider her priorities in life before hitting on the Doctor if she only "fancied a fuck."

 

[Sean_McCormick]

^You dont think, the change of priorities might have gone from "Be carefull, what you do - you might have to live with the consequences a long time." to "Live in the moment and take, what life offers you - you might be dead soon" ?

 

[Sci]

^You dont think, the change of priorities might have gone from "Be carefull, what you do - you might have to live with the consequences a long time." to "Live in the moment and take, what life offers you - you might be dead soon" ?

I doubt she would have started specifically talking about how facing death made her think about "who [you] want to be with" if it was just a matter of suddenly wanting to seize the moment and damn the consequences.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

She also said she wasn't talking about something longterm. Yeah, she just wanted sex. Get over it.

 

[davejames]

However, its not done in an obvious way, again, classic Moffat. We assume, and most of us did, that the Doctor has come back quickly before he goes off with River and Octavian to reassure Amy everything will be ok by asking her to remember that he said he'll be back for her when she was 7, but after watching again, and after it was mentioned there may be more than one Doctor in the forest, it seems deliberate as the Doctor we see return to Amy is a lot more sincere and focused and full of fatherly type emotion as he holds her and tells her to remember. And of course the jacket, which he lost to an angel, is present.

I don't see why it can't be the same Doctor, who realized he was maybe being a bit brusque with Amy and decided to reassure and comfort her one last time before leaving.

We've certainly seen this Doctor's moods and focus turn on a dime BEFORE (about 20 times in the previous scene, in fact), so that wouldn't be anything new.

Personally, after watching the scene again, I've come back around to thinking it was just a continuity error. It's only from one angle that we see the jacket (and just barely); from the other angles there's no sign of it at all.

 

[David cgc]

That's so it's subtle. He's very specifically shot you can't see much of him. I didn't even think it was him at first, because of the bare wrists.

 

[Photoman15]

But why does she say she almost died (on the night before her wedding)? The last time the Doctor was there was two years ago. Something happened on the wedding-eve that we don't know.

 

[Sci]

She also said she wasn't talking about something longterm.

Very few 21-year-olds are willing to sit down and discuss life-long romances the first time they sleep with someone, even if they are looking for more than just sex.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

But why does she say she almost died (on the night before her wedding)? The last time the Doctor was there was two years ago. Something happened on the wedding-eve that we don't know.

Amy's adventures with the Doctor up to "Flesh and Stone" are still the night before her wedding from her relativistic perspective. Hence, she "almost died the night before her wedding."

 

[Photoman15]

But why does she say she almost died (on the night before her wedding)? The last time the Doctor was there was two years ago. Something happened on the wedding-eve that we don't know.

Amy's adventures with the Doctor up to "Flesh and Stone" are still the night before her wedding from her relativistic perspective. Hence, she "almost died the night before her wedding."

No, she says she almost died that night, the night the Doctor came back to take her and that's why she went with him, which happened to be the night before her wedding. Not after going with the Doctor. I think it means something down the line.


Amy: Do comfort a lot of people on the night before their wedding?
Dr: Why would u need comforting?
Amy: i nearly died. I was alone in the dark and I nearly died and it made me think...

 

[Lonemagpie]

But why does she say she almost died (on the night before her wedding)? The last time the Doctor was there was two years ago. Something happened on the wedding-eve that we don't know.

Amy's adventures with the Doctor up to "Flesh and Stone" are still the night before her wedding from her relativistic perspective. Hence, she "almost died the night before her wedding."

No, she says she almost died that night, the night the Doctor came back to take her and that's why she went with him, which happened to be the night before her wedding. Not after going with the Doctor. I think it means something down the line.


Amy: Do comfort a lot of people on the night before their wedding?
Dr: Why would u need comforting?
Amy: i nearly died. I was alone in the dark and I nearly died and it made me think...

We're putting two and two together here to make five:

Amy: Do comfort a lot of people on the night before their wedding?

She's showing him her wedding dress on the night she left, the night before her wedding.

Dr: Why would u need comforting?

Because she's just said that's what's happening

Amy: i nearly died. I was alone in the dark and I nearly died and it made me think..

She was alone in the dark *with the Weeping Angels and her eyes closed! She was one second of having her eyes open from death!* I.e. this line is referring to the stuff that just happened in the episode, not to something else before she went into the TARDIS.

 

[davejames]

Great episode. I do think it's a different Doctor that talks to Amy, the other one was leaving. It could be viewed as him coming back or the other one stepping in. The Doctor seems different. His tone, the way he talks to her is more caring.

I have to imagine the five soldiers standing guard around Amy would have noticed a second Doctor walking around.

And the different tone of voice to me was just another example of the frozen-in-time scene from Eleventh Hour with the apple, where the Doctor stopped yelling at Amy and instead took the same kind of soothing tone we saw here ("20 minutes. You have to trust me for 20 minutes...")

To me it's just a call-back by Moffat to that original scene.

 

[David cgc]

The man once walked through a giant fan using Time Lord magic. I think he could sneak past five soldiers who probably wouldn't have noticed anything odd about him being there in the first place.

 

[The]

She also said she wasn't talking about something longterm. Yeah, she just wanted sex. Get over it.

Exactly. Any other conclusion is just reaching...

 

[DAK]

She also said she wasn't talking about something longterm. Yeah, she just wanted sex. Get over it.

Who can blame her?

 

[Sci]

She also said she wasn't talking about something longterm. Yeah, she just wanted sex. Get over it.

Exactly. Any other conclusion is just reaching...

"Hey. Paisley. Ever fancied someone you knew you shouldn't? Hurts, doesn't it? *looks at the Doctor* But kind of good hurt." - "Victory of the Daleks"

Yeah, it's "just reaching" to say that there's more to Amy's feelings towards the Doctor than sexual attraction.

 

[Checkmate]

Yeah, cause that's totally why she looked at him. In no way was it a "follow my lead" or "see where I'm going with this?" kind of look.

It is reaching. You're seeing the crap 'cause you want to. There was nothing romantic about what Amy did. She's sick and out of whack. That's what the entire next episode is going to be about for crying out loud; fixing her.

 

[Cyke101]

Why are we going by what she hinted, but not giong by something she outright, directly, clear-cut, all-on-the-table said?

 

[Checkmate]

Because that shatters too many realities.