^I think they've been having longer trailers on every episode... probably because they've been short.
5x05 Flesh and Stone (Grading/Discussion) SPOILERS!
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Yeah, I noticed that, too.
Bishop: Doctor Song, I lost good men today. You trust this man?
River Song: I absolutely trust him.
Bishop: He's not some kind of madman then?
River Song: *very short pause* I absolutely trust him.
*lol* I absolutely love this bit.
River Song: I absolutely trust him.
Bishop: He's not some kind of madman then?
River Song: *very short pause* I absolutely trust him.
*lol* I absolutely love this bit.
There's a circular pattern, but it doesn't look like an Atraxi to me - just a circular pattern
Great stuff.
The resolution kind of did a 90 degree tangent to what was expected, and it was rather good. We got some information on 'the crack', some tantalizing tit bits on River, and a story that felt, overall, very old-schoolish to me.
I still don't think the angels were anywhere near as scary as their first outing. Blink will live on as one of the greatest Doctor Who stories ever imo. But this was a nice tense story with lots of 'meat' on the bones.
I even didn't mind lust-driven Amy at the end. It probably disappointed some of the fanbois and girls, but the Doctor handled it true to form, imo.
And I'm liking this Moffat thing of ending one story with the start of the next. It's just like the old days, in some ways
PS - I missed the bit with the jacket. What's going on there?
The resolution kind of did a 90 degree tangent to what was expected, and it was rather good. We got some information on 'the crack', some tantalizing tit bits on River, and a story that felt, overall, very old-schoolish to me.
I still don't think the angels were anywhere near as scary as their first outing. Blink will live on as one of the greatest Doctor Who stories ever imo. But this was a nice tense story with lots of 'meat' on the bones.
I even didn't mind lust-driven Amy at the end. It probably disappointed some of the fanbois and girls, but the Doctor handled it true to form, imo.
And I'm liking this Moffat thing of ending one story with the start of the next. It's just like the old days, in some ways
PS - I missed the bit with the jacket. What's going on there?
In the forest, the Doctor's going off with Dr Song and Fr Octavian, says "See ya!" to Amy. There's a brief pause, then he's back being considerate, serious, and asking her to remember what he said when she was seven years old.
Only his sleeves are rolled up, and he's definitely wearing the jacket he's supposedly left in the Angel's grasp. It's either a huge continuity error, which I very much doubt... or it's a different Doctor who comes to see her, risking a lot in crossing his own timeline. So it has to be important.
Only his sleeves are rolled up, and he's definitely wearing the jacket he's supposedly left in the Angel's grasp. It's either a huge continuity error, which I very much doubt... or it's a different Doctor who comes to see her, risking a lot in crossing his own timeline. So it has to be important.
I've been thinking a little, and it seems to me the only reason why people have forgotten about the Cyberking and Daleks is if they fell through the crack like the angels did.
This would effectively unwrite these events, as if they've never happened. What I don't understand why does the doctor say "time can be rewritten" instead of "time can be unwritten"?
This would effectively unwrite these events, as if they've never happened. What I don't understand why does the doctor say "time can be rewritten" instead of "time can be unwritten"?
Wow, that had to be one of the most complex and ambitious stories I've seen on Who in a while! I was expecting just a standard "marines vs angels" story for the second part, so it was exciting to see it veer off in so many other directions, and become much more about Amy and the mysterious crack following her around instead.
And this had to be the performance of the series so far for Smith. He definitely took charge in this episode, and had so many odd, kooky, and brilliant moments it's hard to narrow it down to just one.
Finally seeing the Angels move in real time was pretty damn creepy too.
As for the much-discussed ending, yes it was a bit shocking (especially for this show), but it didn't feel all that out of character to me. We've seen Amy be bold with people before, and as Moffat said in the Confidential, she DOES moonlight as a freakin kissogram, after all. I think it's refreshing to see a 21-year old girl on this show act like, well, a real 21-year old girl.
And this had to be the performance of the series so far for Smith. He definitely took charge in this episode, and had so many odd, kooky, and brilliant moments it's hard to narrow it down to just one.
Finally seeing the Angels move in real time was pretty damn creepy too.
As for the much-discussed ending, yes it was a bit shocking (especially for this show), but it didn't feel all that out of character to me. We've seen Amy be bold with people before, and as Moffat said in the Confidential, she DOES moonlight as a freakin kissogram, after all. I think it's refreshing to see a 21-year old girl on this show act like, well, a real 21-year old girl.
Love it, loved it, loved it! This entire story was soooo Doctor Who!
As with most, love how Moffat has altered the pacing of the series, delving into the season-arc far ahead. Nicely done!
Sort of on subject...
I live in America. Woke up, went to the Best Buy today, ended up picking up a copy of Twin Dilema. The guy at the check-out counter sees it, pauses, and then looks up at me hesitantly.... "Did you see last night?"
"Yes!"
Suddenly this quiet, professional little guy just making his buck blossomed with life!
"That was sooo sick, brother!!" he practically shouted, as if talking about some incredible football play. "I'm loving this new guy!"
"Totally..." I smile, nodding. "...he's completely gets being The Doctor."
"And those angels man!! They scared the hell out of me! My girlfriend had like her head buried behind my shoulder the whole time last week!"
And so it went, this stranger and I, talking about a glorious British television show that we both obviously watch quite illegally.
God I love Doctor Who.
By the end, I'd convinced him to go pick up some of the Tom Baker episodes with his BB discount, and even told him to try (well warned ahead) Twin Dilema.
I wish I were rich. I'd love to pay for the Beeb to shoot an entire season using North American locations. Not that there's anything wrong with the locations and sets they use now. I, in fact, loved the location shooting they did for this story. But, how much fun would it be to open a shot of the TARDIS landing in downtown Times Square, NYC? Or near the Smithsonian in Washington, DC? Return to San Fran for a visit with Grace Holloway and some answers about the whole 'half-human' fiasco? Fighting the Silurians in the bogs of New Orleans? Wide, epic vistas like Kansas and Oklahoma? And lots and lots and lots of sunlight.
Anyway, I just think it would be nice. Like letting them shoot in the Canadian wilds, ala' Stargate.
Meanwhile, excellent episode!
As with most, love how Moffat has altered the pacing of the series, delving into the season-arc far ahead. Nicely done!
Sort of on subject...
I live in America. Woke up, went to the Best Buy today, ended up picking up a copy of Twin Dilema. The guy at the check-out counter sees it, pauses, and then looks up at me hesitantly.... "Did you see last night?"
"Yes!"
Suddenly this quiet, professional little guy just making his buck blossomed with life!
"That was sooo sick, brother!!" he practically shouted, as if talking about some incredible football play. "I'm loving this new guy!"
"Totally..." I smile, nodding. "...he's completely gets being The Doctor."
"And those angels man!! They scared the hell out of me! My girlfriend had like her head buried behind my shoulder the whole time last week!"
And so it went, this stranger and I, talking about a glorious British television show that we both obviously watch quite illegally.
God I love Doctor Who.By the end, I'd convinced him to go pick up some of the Tom Baker episodes with his BB discount, and even told him to try (well warned ahead) Twin Dilema.
I wish I were rich. I'd love to pay for the Beeb to shoot an entire season using North American locations. Not that there's anything wrong with the locations and sets they use now. I, in fact, loved the location shooting they did for this story. But, how much fun would it be to open a shot of the TARDIS landing in downtown Times Square, NYC? Or near the Smithsonian in Washington, DC? Return to San Fran for a visit with Grace Holloway and some answers about the whole 'half-human' fiasco? Fighting the Silurians in the bogs of New Orleans? Wide, epic vistas like Kansas and Oklahoma? And lots and lots and lots of sunlight.
Anyway, I just think it would be nice. Like letting them shoot in the Canadian wilds, ala' Stargate.Meanwhile, excellent episode!
I wish I were rich. I'd love to pay for the Beeb to shoot an entire season using North American locations. Not that there's anything wrong with the locations and sets they use now. I, in fact, loved the location shooting they did for this story. But, how much fun would it be to open a shot of the TARDIS landing in downtown Times Square, NYC? Or near the Smithsonian in Washington, DC? Return to San Fran for a visit with Grace Holloway and some answers about the whole 'half-human' fiasco? Fighting the Silurians in the bogs of New Orleans? Wide, epic vistas like Kansas and Oklahoma? And lots and lots and lots of sunlight.
I agree it would be cool to see the Doctor walking around the real NY or SF someday (and not just a facsimile like in the Dalek episodes), but I wouldn't want it to become a regular thing.
As Americans we already see enough of those locations in our OWN shows, so I think it's nice to see some very different kinds of locations and cities on Who.
BRILLIANT!
I thought this was great. Both parts are great, classic Moffat. Hes adapted the Angels from the initial Blink-esque to a more creepy army of them who can inhabit peoples minds, and move in real time instead of when the light goes out. Which was creepy.
Smiths performance just seems to get more and more darker and serious every week, especially when he shouted at River and again when hes talking to Amy when shes curled up on the rock. He seems to just flit between angry/happy/shocked et al in such quick succession that it wears you out trrying to keep up with him.
Still love the part where he figures out that there is an angel in Amys mind, he clasps his hands over his mouth like an excited five year old whos just learned to tie his laces. Pure brilliance.
The whole time distortion/crack/end of the universe thing is just head ache generating. Seems to be following Amy wherever they go. And, like a few others, found myself wondering...
... Are there two Doctors in that forest?
We see him lose the jacket when the Angel grabs the collar, then we see the whole scene where hes trying to save Amy from the mind-angel, then he leaves... Then, he comes back a few seconds later with the jacket on but the sleeves rolled up... Then in the following scene he again has no jacket while River and Octavian.
No jacket...
Jacket...
No jacket in the scene after...
Its either a deliberate Moffat-esque scene setter/paradox or its a huge continuuity gaff that was missed.
I like the idea of Moffat having two Doctors in a timeline Back to the Future style path crossing, well find out later if he has planned it, but its cool though.
I thought this was great. Both parts are great, classic Moffat. Hes adapted the Angels from the initial Blink-esque to a more creepy army of them who can inhabit peoples minds, and move in real time instead of when the light goes out. Which was creepy.
Smiths performance just seems to get more and more darker and serious every week, especially when he shouted at River and again when hes talking to Amy when shes curled up on the rock. He seems to just flit between angry/happy/shocked et al in such quick succession that it wears you out trrying to keep up with him.
Still love the part where he figures out that there is an angel in Amys mind, he clasps his hands over his mouth like an excited five year old whos just learned to tie his laces. Pure brilliance.
The whole time distortion/crack/end of the universe thing is just head ache generating. Seems to be following Amy wherever they go. And, like a few others, found myself wondering...
... Are there two Doctors in that forest?
We see him lose the jacket when the Angel grabs the collar, then we see the whole scene where hes trying to save Amy from the mind-angel, then he leaves... Then, he comes back a few seconds later with the jacket on but the sleeves rolled up... Then in the following scene he again has no jacket while River and Octavian.
No jacket...
Jacket...
No jacket in the scene after...
Its either a deliberate Moffat-esque scene setter/paradox or its a huge continuuity gaff that was missed.
I like the idea of Moffat having two Doctors in a timeline Back to the Future style path crossing, well find out later if he has planned it, but its cool though.
My only complaint: Seeing Tennant in Confidential made me miss him as the Doctor.. I can't believe I'm one of the Tennant whores!
Same here. And Eccleston too. I haven't watched one of his eps in a while, so it was kind of... strange seeing him as the Doctor again.
Normally I'd be inclined to think it was just an editing error (like those that happen all the time on other shows), but Smith CLEARLY isn't wearing his jacket in any of the forest scenes, so it's hard to believe no one on set would have noticed at the time...
Unless it was filmed really early in the process, before they thought of having the Angel grab his jacket, and they didn't have time to go back and re-film the scene.
My only complaint: Seeing Tennant in Confidential made me miss him as the Doctor.. I can't believe I'm one of the Tennant whores!
Welcome to the club. Strangely enough, I had a similar experience recently. I rewatched parts of Forest of the Dead because I couldn't remember whether the Doctor took River's journal in the end or not (I confused him coming back for the screw driver with him coming back to grab the book). I was somehow taken aback by Tennant's performance, his presence, in the few scenes I watched. Well, I guess, he really is my favourite Doctor (of the five I know so far).
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