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A Specter episode would be bad ass. Jim Corrigan as the host.
A Specter episode would be bad ass. Jim Corrigan as the host.
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Superman creator Jerry Siegel also created the Spectre. Nice added bonus. Plus I like the character a lot as well. Good idea.
Plus, while Johns has made these team episodes work, a simple team-up with Clark would be nice.
Superman creator Jerry Siegel also created the Spectre. Nice added bonus. Plus I like the character a lot as well. Good idea.
Plus, while Johns has made these team episodes work, a simple team-up with Clark would be nice.
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Icicle is not someone who'd be a genuine threat to even this show's dumbed down version of Superman.
Dr. Fate is made to look like a right chump and then they make a big deal about Icicle coming for Alan Scott despite showing us that he still has his ring. Huh ? That guy's supposed to be a threat to a Lantern ?
Let's keep in mind that one of the perennial enemies of the Flash is Captain Boomerang. With the right amount of intelligence a cryokinetic can be a big threat. Granted, Icicle here didn't come across that way...
Icicle is not someone who'd be a genuine threat to even this show's dumbed down version of Superman.
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Ah, possibly - I admit I did not notice. He was wearing it in the black and white footage when the jail cell doors closed.
Doesn't change the fact that Icicle is the sort of villain Clark easily dealt with in season one.
Ah, possibly - I admit I did not notice. He was wearing it in the black and white footage when the jail cell doors closed.
Doesn't change the fact that Icicle is the sort of villain Clark easily dealt with in season one.
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Not the most engaging story, but it had it's moments with the stuff involving the JSA family.
I don't even want to know the context. 
...unless it involves Tess Mercer, then please elaborate.
The guy reminded me of John Haymes Newton, who played Superboy.
Not the most engaging story, but it had it's moments with the stuff involving the JSA family.
I want to see it too for the same reasons.
When I saw Pam Grier's name in the credits, I knew that's who she'd be playing. I just knew.
Looked like it.
She looked fine to me age wise. Didn't know she was 25. That works too.
Shanks is a good actor and he did a fantastic impression of James Spader's Dr. Jackson on SG-1. However...
Yeah, really. It wasn't good.
I was wondering what he meant by her sharing the same fate as well.
Looked kind of odd with him just haging there in mid air with the wings not moving.
Didn't even give the phone a second thought.
Nice to see that. I was surprised that they got Green Lantern on the show. Then I wasn't surprised to see that they didnt use him. Budget... Embargo... Whatever... I also wish we had seen Jay Garrick's Flash and Hawkgirl at the very least.Alan's lantern and ring, the whole reason I tuned in tonight
Definately noticed that. Nice touch. I was also thinking... Why can't we see him as he really is at some point. Then sure enough we did.
First thought... Product Placement!
He's Lex. Of course he's still alive.
Yeah. She wasn't fat enough and her hair wasn't short enough.
Yeah.
Did he just say "Warm sphincter"?
I don't even want to know the context. ...unless it involves Tess Mercer, then please elaborate.
Didn't think of "Apokolips". Good catch. I want to see Darkseid. I've been warming up to the suggestions here that they put Michael Ironside in a KISS outfit for the role.
Missed that.
I thought the same thing. Those two were featured in an episode of Justice League Unlimited.
Nah! In fact, I forgot all about them.
Doesn't look like the ratings for this episode were much higher than usual. Friday's ratings thread.
Totally missed the joke. That sounds funny.
The guy reminded me of John Haymes Newton, who played Superboy.
Yes.
I was thinking about JSA as a TV show and decided that it would look pretty lame. I never saw that failed Justice League show from a few years back, but I saw pics and this episode reminded me of that. Read about it here. This stuff works for Smallville, but that's about it.
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Perhaps, but this is one of the only times I can think of where Alan's even had a possible appearance outside the comics. Plus, just to be safe if they don't wanna run a Lantern-embargo risk, they could just call him Sentinel.
Nah, I meant Captain Boomerang as a specific example of a long-time villain who seems even more ridiculous than Icicle. Captain Cold at least has the weapons - and they're not, you know, boomerangs.
Certainly not a bad solution since the painting had Mid-Nite and Mr. Terrific (as examples) and except for the "Fair Play" artifacts that's all we saw of them.
He was and has been in the comics. For years. With a powerset not unlike Captain Cold (for the father) and like a dumbed-down Iceman (for the son), he's been a credible foe for Alan Scott since the 1940s. And again... Captain Boomerang? Versus a guy who can outrun and dodge bullets?
I dunno, like somebody else mentioned I can't imagine Alan leaving something that powerful and potentially dangerous just lying around. I'd prefer to think of them as replicas.
Although I wonder. Could just anyone wield the power of the ring? The Lantern Corps have to choose someone or be specifically granted, not just picked up. And even though Alan's ring isn't a Corps ring, it's always been tied to him specifically right?
Seeing as how this is an AU, they could have Alan pass off his ring to someone (Hal, though Guy and maybe John would fit in better). Not that I don't want to see Alan, but the show seems to be more about setting up the current generation.Loved the writing and the homage being paid to the JSA. Hope these guys (plus maybe Alan and Jay, who were mentioned as "still out there") show up again for the upcoming Apokolips threat and show Clark's team what real superheroes look like.
Perhaps, but this is one of the only times I can think of where Alan's even had a possible appearance outside the comics. Plus, just to be safe if they don't wanna run a Lantern-embargo risk, they could just call him Sentinel.
I think you meant Captain Cold (Geoff's favorite villain, possibly even his favorite character). Captain Boomerang's the, you know, guy with the boomerangs.
Nah, I meant Captain Boomerang as a specific example of a long-time villain who seems even more ridiculous than Icicle. Captain Cold at least has the weapons - and they're not, you know, boomerangs.
Certainly not a bad solution since the painting had Mid-Nite and Mr. Terrific (as examples) and except for the "Fair Play" artifacts that's all we saw of them.
Dr. Fate is made to look like a right chump and then they make a big deal about Icicle coming for Alan Scott despite showing us that he still has his ring. Huh ? That guy's supposed to be a threat to a Lantern ?
Let's keep in mind that one of the perennial enemies of the Flash is Captain Boomerang. With the right amount of intelligence a cryokinetic can be a big threat. Granted, Icicle here didn't come across that way...
Icicle is not someone who'd be a genuine threat to even this show's dumbed down version of Superman.
He was and has been in the comics. For years. With a powerset not unlike Captain Cold (for the father) and like a dumbed-down Iceman (for the son), he's been a credible foe for Alan Scott since the 1940s. And again... Captain Boomerang? Versus a guy who can outrun and dodge bullets?
I dunno, like somebody else mentioned I can't imagine Alan leaving something that powerful and potentially dangerous just lying around. I'd prefer to think of them as replicas.
Although I wonder. Could just anyone wield the power of the ring? The Lantern Corps have to choose someone or be specifically granted, not just picked up. And even though Alan's ring isn't a Corps ring, it's always been tied to him specifically right?
RobertScorpio
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This is smallville..its aimed at teens. Even my 15 year old daughter liked this episode..so, you watch, we might meet Alan, but it will be JADE who they show in uniform..
And what about the Spectre? he's way too powerful for this tv show..
Rob
Seeing as how this is an AU, they could have Alan pass off his ring to someone (Hal, though Guy and maybe John would fit in better). Not that I don't want to see Alan, but the show seems to be more about setting up the current generation.Loved the writing and the homage being paid to the JSA. Hope these guys (plus maybe Alan and Jay, who were mentioned as "still out there") show up again for the upcoming Apokolips threat and show Clark's team what real superheroes look like.
Perhaps, but this is one of the only times I can think of where Alan's even had a possible appearance outside the comics. Plus, just to be safe if they don't wanna run a Lantern-embargo risk, they could just call him Sentinel.
Nah, I meant Captain Boomerang as a specific example of a long-time villain who seems even more ridiculous than Icicle. Captain Cold at least has the weapons - and they're not, you know, boomerangs.
Certainly not a bad solution since the painting had Mid-Nite and Mr. Terrific (as examples) and except for the "Fair Play" artifacts that's all we saw of them.
He was and has been in the comics. For years. With a powerset not unlike Captain Cold (for the father) and like a dumbed-down Iceman (for the son), he's been a credible foe for Alan Scott since the 1940s. And again... Captain Boomerang? Versus a guy who can outrun and dodge bullets?
I dunno, like somebody else mentioned I can't imagine Alan leaving something that powerful and potentially dangerous just lying around. I'd prefer to think of them as replicas.
Although I wonder. Could just anyone wield the power of the ring? The Lantern Corps have to choose someone or be specifically granted, not just picked up. And even though Alan's ring isn't a Corps ring, it's always been tied to him specifically right?
This is smallville..its aimed at teens. Even my 15 year old daughter liked this episode..so, you watch, we might meet Alan, but it will be JADE who they show in uniform..
And what about the Spectre? he's way too powerful for this tv show..
Rob
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That'd be pretty cool actually, if they find Alan having trained Jade to be his replacement not unlike how Courtney replaced Sly.
Hmm. Okay, so we know for sure the JSA consists pretty much at this point of Hawkman and Stargirl.
What if, at some future point, Clark meets back up with Carter and Courtney as they are tracking down the rest of the Society. Tie it in with Fate's helmet finding a new host who's young and inexperienced. The twist, so to speak, is that as they're finding all these Society members, they've all got young(er) proteges who are taking/have taken up the mantles. I don't remember who was said to've died other than Sylvester and Wed Dodds, but I'm gonna assume none of the rest? So say Jade has been trained by Alan who's all but retired, Ted Grant (Wildcat) has found his son Tommy, and, say... Charles McNider (Mid-Nite) has bequeathed his role to Pieter Anton Cross. I think adding three more (sort of six more) characters would be more than enough. Also tie in Black Canary's history with her mom in the Society and pseudo-retcon Impulse to have had Jay Garrick's influence in his life for some time. Also bring Michael Holt in as a shadowy figure working to oppose Checkmate and keep the former Society members safe.
Now, why do all this? Simple. Say Hawkman heroically sacrifices himself in some way, and what does that leave?
A whole bunch of heroes (Green Arrow, Manhunter, Stargirl, newFate, Jade, Wildcat Jr., newMid-Nite, Black Canary, Impulse, Cyborg, Aquaman, Michael Holt), but the one with the most a) experience and b) leadership ability among active heroes is Clark Kent. Manhunter seems to follow Clark's lead, Michael Holt is a more black-ops type in this scenario, and the older generation have retired or (maybe) died.
Voila, instant Justice League.
Perhaps, but this is one of the only times I can think of where Alan's even had a possible appearance outside the comics. Plus, just to be safe if they don't wanna run a Lantern-embargo risk, they could just call him Sentinel.
This is smallville..its aimed at teens. Even my 15 year old daughter liked this episode..so, you watch, we might meet Alan, but it will be JADE who they show in uniform..
And what about the Spectre? he's way too powerful for this tv show..
Rob
That'd be pretty cool actually, if they find Alan having trained Jade to be his replacement not unlike how Courtney replaced Sly.
Hmm. Okay, so we know for sure the JSA consists pretty much at this point of Hawkman and Stargirl.
What if, at some future point, Clark meets back up with Carter and Courtney as they are tracking down the rest of the Society. Tie it in with Fate's helmet finding a new host who's young and inexperienced. The twist, so to speak, is that as they're finding all these Society members, they've all got young(er) proteges who are taking/have taken up the mantles. I don't remember who was said to've died other than Sylvester and Wed Dodds, but I'm gonna assume none of the rest? So say Jade has been trained by Alan who's all but retired, Ted Grant (Wildcat) has found his son Tommy, and, say... Charles McNider (Mid-Nite) has bequeathed his role to Pieter Anton Cross. I think adding three more (sort of six more) characters would be more than enough. Also tie in Black Canary's history with her mom in the Society and pseudo-retcon Impulse to have had Jay Garrick's influence in his life for some time. Also bring Michael Holt in as a shadowy figure working to oppose Checkmate and keep the former Society members safe.
Now, why do all this? Simple. Say Hawkman heroically sacrifices himself in some way, and what does that leave?
A whole bunch of heroes (Green Arrow, Manhunter, Stargirl, newFate, Jade, Wildcat Jr., newMid-Nite, Black Canary, Impulse, Cyborg, Aquaman, Michael Holt), but the one with the most a) experience and b) leadership ability among active heroes is Clark Kent. Manhunter seems to follow Clark's lead, Michael Holt is a more black-ops type in this scenario, and the older generation have retired or (maybe) died.
Voila, instant Justice League.
RobertScorpio
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They don't need TOM WELLING to do a JLA show. the only demand I would make? Geoff, or Greg, or someone with DC in their history, and is a good writer, run the show; not some bean counter sitting behind Bugs Bunny's desk.
Rob
Perhaps, but this is one of the only times I can think of where Alan's even had a possible appearance outside the comics. Plus, just to be safe if they don't wanna run a Lantern-embargo risk, they could just call him Sentinel.
This is smallville..its aimed at teens. Even my 15 year old daughter liked this episode..so, you watch, we might meet Alan, but it will be JADE who they show in uniform..
And what about the Spectre? he's way too powerful for this tv show..
Rob
That'd be pretty cool actually, if they find Alan having trained Jade to be his replacement not unlike how Courtney replaced Sly.
Hmm. Okay, so we know for sure the JSA consists pretty much at this point of Hawkman and Stargirl.
What if, at some future point, Clark meets back up with Carter and Courtney as they are tracking down the rest of the Society. Tie it in with Fate's helmet finding a new host who's young and inexperienced. The twist, so to speak, is that as they're finding all these Society members, they've all got young(er) proteges who are taking/have taken up the mantles. I don't remember who was said to've died other than Sylvester and Wed Dodds, but I'm gonna assume none of the rest? So say Jade has been trained by Alan who's all but retired, Ted Grant (Wildcat) has found his son Tommy, and, say... Charles McNider (Mid-Nite) has bequeathed his role to Pieter Anton Cross. I think adding three more (sort of six more) characters would be more than enough. Also tie in Black Canary's history with her mom in the Society and pseudo-retcon Impulse to have had Jay Garrick's influence in his life for some time. Also bring Michael Holt in as a shadowy figure working to oppose Checkmate and keep the former Society members safe.
Now, why do all this? Simple. Say Hawkman heroically sacrifices himself in some way, and what does that leave?
A whole bunch of heroes (Green Arrow, Manhunter, Stargirl, newFate, Jade, Wildcat Jr., newMid-Nite, Black Canary, Impulse, Cyborg, Aquaman, Michael Holt), but the one with the most a) experience and b) leadership ability among active heroes is Clark Kent. Manhunter seems to follow Clark's lead, Michael Holt is a more black-ops type in this scenario, and the older generation have retired or (maybe) died.
Voila, instant Justice League.
They don't need TOM WELLING to do a JLA show. the only demand I would make? Geoff, or Greg, or someone with DC in their history, and is a good writer, run the show; not some bean counter sitting behind Bugs Bunny's desk.
Rob
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A lot of possibilities with the JSA offsprings and proteges.
From the Infiity Inc. series there's Silver Scarab (Hawkman's son), Fury (WW daughter or Fury's daughter or Miss America's daughter ), Nuklon/Atom-Smasher (Atom's godson), Jade and Obsidian (GLs kids), Northwind (Hawkman's godson), Hourman II (Hourman's son), Dr.Midnight (An protege of Dr Mid-Nite) and Wildcat II/La Garra (friend of Wildcat) Huntress and Power Girl might even be possible
From the new JSA series: Mister Terrific II, Sandy/Sand/Sandman (Sandman's ward), Hawkgirl (the soul of Hawkman's wife in the body of her niece), the Hourman android, Damage (the Atom's son), Cyclone (daughter of Red Tornado) and the new Doctor Fate (nephew of Dr fate)
Not sure how Jakeem Thunder would fit in the Smallville-verse. They didn't but Johnny Thunder and the Thunderbolt in the portrait.
A lot of possibilities with the JSA offsprings and proteges.
From the Infiity Inc. series there's Silver Scarab (Hawkman's son), Fury (WW daughter or Fury's daughter or Miss America's daughter
), Nuklon/Atom-Smasher (Atom's godson), Jade and Obsidian (GLs kids), Northwind (Hawkman's godson), Hourman II (Hourman's son), Dr.Midnight (An protege of Dr Mid-Nite) and Wildcat II/La Garra (friend of Wildcat) Huntress and Power Girl might even be possible From the new JSA series: Mister Terrific II, Sandy/Sand/Sandman (Sandman's ward), Hawkgirl (the soul of Hawkman's wife in the body of her niece), the Hourman android, Damage (the Atom's son), Cyclone (daughter of Red Tornado) and the new Doctor Fate (nephew of Dr fate)
Not sure how Jakeem Thunder would fit in the Smallville-verse. They didn't but Johnny Thunder and the Thunderbolt in the portrait.
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But they do need Tom Welling in Smallville, which is what we're talking here right?
Some of those I think are too convoluted or not directly tied to the portrait, unfortunately. I think any of the Hawks' kids or any variation on Fury/WW would be too complicated. Between Alan Scott's kids, Jade is more closely tied with Lantern mythology and Obsidian's got a (recent?) history of dabbling with the darkness. Power Girl might be confusing with Kara, although Huntress could fit I think. The thing about Hourman and either of Atom's legacies is they occupy storytelling space not too unlike Wildcat's son. Though I'd forgotten about the female Wildcat.
It'd have to be kept relatively straightforward and try not to have too much duplication, so picking three-four new legacies to introduce would be the limit I think. And if you could retroactively make some pre-existing characters (like Impulse and Black Canary) legacies, you could up it to a few more. That's why I said Jade, Wildcat, and Midnight; easily defined legacies and their predecessors all appear in the paintings, but I'd be happy enough substituting in Atom's legacy or Hourman's. Much as it'd be fun to see Jakeem Thunder, Johnny's absence from the portrait makes that more difficult. And Spectre, done properly, is far too powerful.
I for one would love to see Sand Hawkins in his latest Wes Dodds/Dream-inspired outfit (the green look was okay, but that hat, mask, and coat IS Sandman).
But they do need Tom Welling in Smallville, which is what we're talking here right?
A lot of possibilities with the JSA offsprings and proteges.
From the Infiity Inc. series there's Silver Scarab (Hawkman's son), Fury (WW daughter or Fury's daughter or Miss America's daughter
From the new JSA series: Mister Terrific II, Sandy/Sand/Sandman (Sandman's ward), Hawkgirl (the soul of Hawkman's wife in the body of her niece), the Hourman android, Damage (the Atom's son), Cyclone (daughter of Red Tornado) and the new Doctor Fate (nephew of Dr fate)
Not sure how Jakeem Thunder would fit in the Smallville-verse. They didn't but Johnny Thunder and the Thunderbolt in the portrait.
Some of those I think are too convoluted or not directly tied to the portrait, unfortunately. I think any of the Hawks' kids or any variation on Fury/WW would be too complicated. Between Alan Scott's kids, Jade is more closely tied with Lantern mythology and Obsidian's got a (recent?) history of dabbling with the darkness. Power Girl might be confusing with Kara, although Huntress could fit I think. The thing about Hourman and either of Atom's legacies is they occupy storytelling space not too unlike Wildcat's son. Though I'd forgotten about the female Wildcat.
It'd have to be kept relatively straightforward and try not to have too much duplication, so picking three-four new legacies to introduce would be the limit I think. And if you could retroactively make some pre-existing characters (like Impulse and Black Canary) legacies, you could up it to a few more. That's why I said Jade, Wildcat, and Midnight; easily defined legacies and their predecessors all appear in the paintings, but I'd be happy enough substituting in Atom's legacy or Hourman's. Much as it'd be fun to see Jakeem Thunder, Johnny's absence from the portrait makes that more difficult. And Spectre, done properly, is far too powerful.
I for one would love to see Sand Hawkins in his latest Wes Dodds/Dream-inspired outfit (the green look was okay, but that hat, mask, and coat IS Sandman).
RobertScorpio
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As long a Geoff is the writer, a JSA show, I think, could kick ass.
Rob
As long a Geoff is the writer, a JSA show, I think, could kick ass.
Rob
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Darth you're confusing The Comedian from Watchman,and as to Hawkman/Carter Hall,played fantasically by Michael Shanks AKA Dr Daniel Jackson from Stargate SG-1 is the Golden Age Hawkman that I remember reading about as a kid.
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This Icicle in this show is not a match for this version of Clark Kent. He was done with guys with that power back in season one.
I'm still more than a little concerned by Clark using his heat vision the way he did. Superman does not do that.
This Icicle in this show is not a match for this version of Clark Kent. He was done with guys with that power back in season one.
I'm still more than a little concerned by Clark using his heat vision the way he did. Superman does not do that.
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Don't be concerned...Clark's not Superman yet thus the reason for him using his heat vision in an uncharacteristic manner not seen in the comics. This hasn't been the first time that Clark has used his heat vision in an aggressive manner. Clark is not Superman...therefor I wish fans would stop comparing THIS Clark to Superman. I stopped doing this around season three or four haha.
Don't be concerned...Clark's not Superman yet thus the reason for him using his heat vision in an uncharacteristic manner not seen in the comics. This hasn't been the first time that Clark has used his heat vision in an aggressive manner. Clark is not Superman...therefor I wish fans would stop comparing THIS Clark to Superman. I stopped doing this around season three or four haha.
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Or mixing it up with Identity Crisis, with the Elongated Man's wife getting raped by the villain Dr. Light, who was then essentially lobotomized.
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Eh, it's not entirely without precedent. i don't read many comic books, but DO remember that Superman used his powers in exactly this manner in the big "death of Superman" story against Doomsday. Actually, that scene had about every superhero with any sort of ranged weapon doing that at the exact same time. Pretty much just scorched Doomsday's outfit a bit, but a clear example of Superman using his heat vision aggressively as a ranged weapon...
Eh, it's not entirely without precedent. i don't read many comic books, but DO remember that Superman used his powers in exactly this manner in the big "death of Superman" story against Doomsday. Actually, that scene had about every superhero with any sort of ranged weapon doing that at the exact same time. Pretty much just scorched Doomsday's outfit a bit, but a clear example of Superman using his heat vision aggressively as a ranged weapon...
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Actually, I'm pretty sure he's thinking of DC's "Identity Crisis" storyline, in which Dr. Light raped the Elongagated Man's wife, Sue, and was subsequently lobotomized by Zatanna.
It came out five or six years ago.
Actually, I'm pretty sure he's thinking of DC's "Identity Crisis" storyline, in which Dr. Light raped the Elongagated Man's wife, Sue, and was subsequently lobotomized by Zatanna.
It came out five or six years ago.