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Pocket's 2010 Schedule Announced on TrekMovie.com

^ The Jem'Hadar are watching you... :p

Disengage... leave it to Picard! The Sisko would've fired torpedoes... :devil:

^I'm actually wondering if there is yet something regarding the DS9 fiction that won't be announced until after The Never-Ending Sacrifice comes out.

That's a good point... if only patience was my virtue... ;)
 
I may be one of the few here who is actually stoked that they're moving forward with fiction based in the alternate universe/timeline created by Abrams' 'Star Trek', since it was something that I was hoping they would do, but wasn't expecting them to do quite so soon.

With regards to the DS9 Relaunch jumping forward in time, a decision like this has both its pluses and its minuses, but I'm not going to say that the minuses will outweight the pluses until I've actually seen exactly how they play things out.
 
With regards to the DS9 Relaunch jumping forward in time, a decision like this has both its pluses and its minuses, but I'm not going to say that the minuses will outweight the pluses until I've actually seen exactly how they play things out.

Good idea. I mean, what if there are timeses and divided-bys too? ;)
 
With regards to the DS9 Relaunch jumping forward in time, a decision like this has both its pluses and its minuses, but I'm not going to say that the minuses will outweight the pluses until I've actually seen exactly how they play things out.

Good idea. I mean, what if there are timeses and divided-bys too? ;)

[Gerald Ford]It was my understanding that there would be no math.[/Gerald Ford]
 
With regards to the DS9 Relaunch jumping forward in time, a decision like this has both its pluses and its minuses, but I'm not going to say that the minuses will outweight the pluses until I've actually seen exactly how they play things out.

Good idea. I mean, what if there are timeses and divided-bys too? ;)
Weren't you always one of the most vehement defenders of why moving ahead in DS9's timeline was unnecessary? Obviously, things are different now post-Destiny so I look forward to a greater ability for easy connectivity of the various series.
 
Weren't you always one of the most vehement defenders of why moving ahead in DS9's timeline was unnecessary? Obviously, things are different now post-Destiny so I look forward to a greater ability for easy connectivity of the various series.

I wouldn't say "vehement." I just repeated the position of Marco and others that there was no reason why the DS9 books should be obligated to stay in synch with the rest just for the sake of staying in synch. In the past, the series were never really that greatly synched-up anyway, with TTN being months ahead of TNG, TNG being a year or two ahead of VGR, SCE and GKN being only roughly in the same area as DS9, etc. So the notion that there was a single "present" for the 24th-century Trek novels was false, and therefore an invalid justification for altering the storytelling pace of DS9.

But as you say, things are different now. The success of Destiny made Pocket's sales people want more multiseries crossover material in a similar vein, so the synchronization between series is becoming more a relevant feature in the storytelling rather than merely a perception of the audience. So there's a less arbitrary reason for bringing DS9 forward. With the storytelling becoming more unified, and the Trek universe as a whole evolving so rapidly, it makes sense not to leave the DS9 characters out of the process.

There's also the fact that Marco Palmieri, who was basically the "showrunner" of the DS9 post-finale series to date, is no longer working at Pocket. Since the series is coming under new management, it kind of makes sense to give it a fresh start and take a different tack, rather than trying to continue on as if nothing's changed.
 
There's also the fact that Marco Palmieri, who was basically the "showrunner" of the DS9 post-finale series to date, is no longer working at Pocket. Since the series is coming under new management, it kind of makes sense to give it a fresh start and take a different tack, rather than trying to continue on as if nothing's changed.

There's also the old adages "don't fix what isn't broken" and "you can't argue with success"! Change for the sake of change is rarely ever good and rarely ever an improvement over what has gone before. To leave such a wide gap unanswered and plot threads left hanging is both unwise (in my opinion) and a slap in the face to all the fans who have devotedly followed the relaunch up to now. It's like saying we don't give a shit about you all and you can either get on the bandwagon and come along or go away. Kind of reminds me of Obama and his healthcare plan now that I think of it! :borg:

Kevin
 
There's also the old adages "don't fix what isn't broken" and "you can't argue with success"! <SNIP> Kind of reminds me of Obama and his healthcare plan now that I think of it! :borg:

Kevin

I'm with you on the DS9 Relaunch jump, but I cannot even begin to comprehend how you could possibly imply that the American health care system is not broken or is successful.

40 million Americans at any given time cannot afford health insurance. Those who can afford health insurance routinely face incredibly flimsy excuses automatic denials of coverage for any treatment that's deemed too expensive. Americans have a lower life expectancy, higher infant mortality rate, and an overall lower set of health care outcomes than that of any country making use of some sort of universal, single-payer health care.

And speaking from my own experience, I can tell you that if you're poor and you get really sick, you're royally screwed. Several years ago, my mother almost died because she knew something was wrong but could not afford regular, preventative health care because she lacked insurance. So when she experienced major pain in her abdomen after having worked a 9 hour shift on her feet, she went into the E.R., who promptly told her that she needed to travel to the hospital of a neighboring city because there was a giant pocket of infection on her right kidney that would kill her within a day or two if it wasn't immediately removed. She then spent two weeks in the hospital and another six out of work in recovery. Had she waited just a day or so longer out of an attempt to avoid spending money, she likely would have died, and as it was, we couldn't afford the bill -- forcing the hospital, of course, to pass their loss onto other patients.

The bottom line is that the United States spends more for inferior health outcomes, and all the while the poor have much less access to health care than anyone else in a discriminatory system. The American health care system is broken, and only someone who's never been screwed over by an insurance company or never been sick while poor could think it isn't.
 
There's also the old adages "don't fix what isn't broken" and "you can't argue with success"! <SNIP> Kind of reminds me of Obama and his healthcare plan now that I think of it! :borg:

Kevin

I'm with you on the DS9 Relaunch jump, but I cannot even begin to comprehend how you could possibly imply that the American health care system is not broken or is successful.

40 million Americans at any given time cannot afford health insurance. Those who can afford health insurance routinely face incredibly flimsy excuses automatic denials of coverage for any treatment that's deemed too expensive. Americans have a lower life expectancy, higher infant mortality rate, and an overall lower set of health care outcomes than that of any country making use of some sort of universal, single-payer health care.

And speaking from my own experience, I can tell you that if you're poor and you get really sick, you're royally screwed. Several years ago, my mother almost died because she knew something was wrong but could not afford regular, preventative health care because she lacked insurance. So when she experienced major pain in her abdomen after having worked a 9 hour shift on her feet, she went into the E.R., who promptly told her that she needed to travel to the hospital of a neighboring city because there was a giant pocket of infection on her right kidney that would kill her within a day or two if it wasn't immediately removed. She then spent two weeks in the hospital and another six out of work in recovery. Had she waited just a day or so longer out of an attempt to avoid spending money, she likely would have died, and as it was, we couldn't afford the bill -- forcing the hospital, of course, to pass their loss onto other patients.

The bottom line is that the United States spends more for inferior health outcomes, and all the while the poor have much less access to health care than anyone else in a discriminatory system. The American health care system is broken, and only someone who's never been screwed over by an insurance company or never been sick while poor could think it isn't.

sorry but arn't there other sections of the forum you could have included this and not here, I thought this thread was readers reactions to the 2010 book schedule - which I'm still fifty fifty over, as much I liked the film, I may not get the NuTrek books and as for the Typhon Pack novels and the time jump for DS9, I think this is great - and not the state of the American health system and Obama's gradious attempts at creating the USA a wellfare state concerning the health system. :rolleyes:
 
There's also the old adages "don't fix what isn't broken" and "you can't argue with success"! Change for the sake of change is rarely ever good and rarely ever an improvement over what has gone before.

But the change has already happened. Marco Palmieri was the guiding force behind the DS9 post-finale series as we knew it, and Marco is gone. So saying the DS9 books shouldn't be changed is meaningless, because the change has already occurred. There's no possible way that future DS9 novels can be unaltered from what came before. So given that change is inevitable, the question is, what's the best way to approach that change? I think it's always better to be yourself than to try to imitate someone else. Margaret Clark and Marco Palmieri are very different editors with very different styles and approaches. You wouldn't have wanted Nicole deBoer to try to imitate Terry Farrell rather than creating her own persona, would you?


To leave such a wide gap unanswered and plot threads left hanging is both unwise (in my opinion) and a slap in the face to all the fans who have devotedly followed the relaunch up to now. It's like saying we don't give a shit about you all and you can either get on the bandwagon and come along or go away.

Who said the questions would remain unanswered? Just because the story is jumping forward now doesn't mean the books will never look back and fill in the interval. I mean, the history of Star Trek is full of large jumps in the storytelling: from "The Cage" to TOS, from TOS to TMP, from TMP to TWOK, from TFF to TUC, from TUC to TNG, from Generations to First Contact, from Insurrection to Nemesis, etc. And over time, the books have gone back and filled in most of those gaps. So there's no reason to assume there won't be future books revisiting the period between The Soul Key and The Typhon Pact and filling in what happened to the DS9 cast in the interim.

So your comments about "a slap in the face" and contempt for the readers are unwarranted. Margaret has nothing against the readers. It wasn't her decision to lay Marco off. That decision was made by higher-ups in the corporation for business reasons totally unconnected to Star Trek fiction, and Margaret and the rest of us simply have to adapt to it. With Marco gone, change in the DS9 book series is an inevitable reality. It can't ever be the same now -- not because the editor hates the readers, which is ludicrous, but because life throws unexpected changes at us and we have to make the best of them.
 
There's also the old adages "don't fix what isn't broken" and "you can't argue with success"! <SNIP> Kind of reminds me of Obama and his healthcare plan now that I think of it! :borg:

Kevin

I'm with you on the DS9 Relaunch jump, but I cannot even begin to comprehend how you could possibly imply that the American health care system is not broken or is successful.

40 million Americans at any given time cannot afford health insurance. Those who can afford health insurance routinely face incredibly flimsy excuses automatic denials of coverage for any treatment that's deemed too expensive. Americans have a lower life expectancy, higher infant mortality rate, and an overall lower set of health care outcomes than that of any country making use of some sort of universal, single-payer health care.

And speaking from my own experience, I can tell you that if you're poor and you get really sick, you're royally screwed. Several years ago, my mother almost died because she knew something was wrong but could not afford regular, preventative health care because she lacked insurance. So when she experienced major pain in her abdomen after having worked a 9 hour shift on her feet, she went into the E.R., who promptly told her that she needed to travel to the hospital of a neighboring city because there was a giant pocket of infection on her right kidney that would kill her within a day or two if it wasn't immediately removed. She then spent two weeks in the hospital and another six out of work in recovery. Had she waited just a day or so longer out of an attempt to avoid spending money, she likely would have died, and as it was, we couldn't afford the bill -- forcing the hospital, of course, to pass their loss onto other patients.

The bottom line is that the United States spends more for inferior health outcomes, and all the while the poor have much less access to health care than anyone else in a discriminatory system. The American health care system is broken, and only someone who's never been screwed over by an insurance company or never been sick while poor could think it isn't.

sorry but arn't there other sections of the forum you could have included this and not here,

I'm happy not to talk about it here if others don't talk about it here. But I won't let someone else bring up their ridiculous anti-health care reform comments without a rebuttal. If people don't want the topic discussed here, then they shouldn't bring it up.

I thought this thread was readers reactions to the 2010 book schedule - which I'm still fifty fifty over, as much I liked the film, I may not get the NuTrek books and as for the Typhon Pack novels and the time jump for DS9, I think this is great - and not the state of the American health system and Obama's gradious attempts at creating the USA a wellfare state concerning the health system. :rolleyes:

I only wish he was being so radical. President Obama isn't pursuing a single-payer European/Canadian-style health care system like I wish he was; he's just trying to make the existing system slightly less evil.
 
sorry but arn't there other sections of the forum you could have included this and not here, I thought this thread was readers reactions to the 2010 book schedule
Here, here! - Though it should have been directed at Ktrek, who initially interjected the irrelevant, unrelated, and Beck-level silly analogy into the thread.

I think this is great - and not the state of the American health system and Obama's gradious attempts at creating the USA a wellfare state concerning the health system. :rolleyes:
Uh... aren't there other sections of the forum you could have included this and not here?
 
sorry but arn't there other sections of the forum you could have included this and not here, I thought this thread was readers reactions to the 2010 book schedule
Here, here! - Though it should have been directed at Ktrek, who initially interjected the irrelevant, unrelated, and Beck-level silly analogy into the thread.

I think this is great - and not the state of the American health system and Obama's gradious attempts at creating the USA a wellfare state concerning the health system. :rolleyes:
Uh... aren't there other sections of the forum you could have included this and not here?

Great way to mis-quote me mate! The - and then the other - were denoting a separate thing, maybe I should have used brackets but as we are all intelligent adults on here, I thought that it would have been obvious.

Just for clarification, I think the time jump for Deep Space Nine and the Typhon Pact in general is a great thing.

As for Ktrek s/he wrote one sentence on the subject, but as I quoted both Sci and Ktrek and didn't mention either names, it was aimed at both of them and not just solely Ktrek or soley Sci.
 
Margret Clark should be fired. She is destroying Trek single handily.

If Marco was still around, we wouldn't have such an unbalanced and messed up schedule.

BRING BACK MARCO. BRING BACK MARCO


That's unfair.

Anyone who thinks that the phenomonal success of the new movie wasn't going to motivate Pocket to put out a wave of nuTrek books as fast as humanly possible doesn't understand how publishing works. That was inevitable, regardless of who was in charge. Marco would have done the same thing. I would have, too.

It's the only sensible thing to to do.
 
^ I figured they'd start a line of 'nuTrek' novels eventually (it was pretty much inevitable, not just from a business standpoint, but because of the infinite possibilities for fresh stories), but wasn't expecting it to be this soon given the potential for contradictions and inconsistencies between any novels set in the 'JJ-verse' and any future films set in the same, and I think it's great that they decided not to wait to give potential new Trek Lit readers a new set of adventures to absorb while waiting for JJ and Co. to put out new on-screen adventures for Kirk and his crew.
 
There's also the old adages "don't fix what isn't broken" and "you can't argue with success"! Change for the sake of change is rarely ever good and rarely ever an improvement over what has gone before.

I seem to recall not everyone was happy with all the Mirror Universe, duplicate Kiras stuff, and much yearning for all the 24th century series' timelines to catch up with each other, so some people were questioning the current state of the DS9 books.

"Sloth" using the Pakleds by Greg Cox.

I'm ready! I just bought Christopher Collins' Pakled outfit!
http://therinofandor.blogspot.com/2009/07/itchy-ebay-trigger-finger.html
 
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