Having the last couple of movies break even and the last series get canceled would be "failure".
Well that's "Court Martial" and "Obsession" gone then (SPOILERS)
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Having the last couple of movies break even and the last series get canceled would be "failure".
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No, you don't want to understand.
Yeah, it was appropriately snarky and insulting, wasn't it?
Good times.The fact is, all we've been presented with so far are aesthetic changes. If that kind of shit matters to you, bully for you. But you deserve to be disappointed by this film if that's the case.
Oh, come on, you must be kidding me. This movie will suck if it won't adhere to established Trek canon? Since when exactly did canon equate to good entertainment? Both of them have zero to do with each other.
What a stupid accusation to make. Just because one doesn't consider canon to be all that important doesn't mean they like Star Trek less than you. You sound like you wanted to say that all that ever made Star Trek good, was its canon.
What the hell are you even talking about? Are you really implying that most of the posters on this board who accept Star Trek as entertainment and don't think its superficial canon is all that important are violent animals? Give me a break! You just can't be serious.
Exactly.
Again, you are the voice of reason.
I also think that the nastiness mentioned above goes both ways. I have been snapped at because I am very excited about Trek 11 and don't care much for canon, as people from "the other camp" have been snapped at, as well.
That doesn't give anyone the right to say people are not real Trek fans... or even worse, call them animals who like violent entertainment. Give me a break.
That's probably why there aren't any new Star Trek productions being made these days.
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Mitchell was a cadet (student) taking a course taught by (graduate instructor) Lieutenant Kirk. Pupil and teacher. They were not in the same class (year, level of study or advancement, rank) at Starfleet Academy. Go back and read the rest of the post which contained this question:
...and note what the question was asked in response to -- that should clear things up for you.
I still don't understand how Paramount's refusal to remove someone that was creatively exhausted (Rick Berman) somehow led them to the conclusion that Star Trek: The Original Series was the piece broken and in need of the overhaul we're seeing here.
Perhaps Modern Trek would still be going strong if Paramount had read the writing on the wall back during Insurrection and Voyager.
"Well Ma'am... you're brakes are bad so we're going to replace the steering wheel."
Well, there are really three "camps" on this BBS.
1) Classic Trek fans... many of whom like everything, but all of whom give significant priority to TOS over everything else (ie, if it contradicts TOS, TOS wins every time).
2) People who became fans with TNG, or later... and who think of TOS as "old-fashioned," not because it is, but because it's not "their" version of Trek. It's a matter of familiarity and "ownership sense."
3) People who really enjoy tweaking other people in order to get a reaction. They'll mock anyone else who feels strongly about any other position... it's more about them tearing other people down than it is about anything else. These people, honestly, are NOT the majority on here, but they're a very vocal minority. They come here to make themselves feel good by virtue of making other people feel bad, it seems.
There's no reason for it to be an issue at all.
I've still got both of those episodes on my DVDs. "Obsession" is a C-, but "Court Martial" is one of my early favorites.
I've no reason to think that it will be less good or that I'll like watching it less after I see the new movie - no matter how many times that turns out to be.
Well of course, that failure is why this movie is being made in such a different manner - the studio figures that there's no longer any benefit to doing it the way they've been doing it.
No one here has yet trotted out an argument or any evidence to persuasively suggest that they're mistaken.
And I wouldn't have nearly so much problem with that if that's how it had been advertised all these past months. They've been working on the fans to get them to buy into the "we're respecting canon" line, and now many feel betrayed as information to the contrary leaks out.
They should just have said from the start it's a reboot with only superficial similarities.
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I'm sorry, but anyone who feels "fooled" or misled fooled themselves through literal-mindedness and wishful thinking. This is pretty much the movie I've been expecting based on the comments of the filmmakers for months. If you're interested, you could do a search on my comments - but it's probably not that big a deal. Nonetheless, that this was their general approach is something I'd think would be obvious to anyone who's carefully read what the filmmakers have said and is somewhat familiar, as an observer, with the movie business.
Taking these guys at their word is being "literal-minded"? Believing them to be honest about their intentions is "wishful thinking?"
Good grief, what have we descended to?
A bunch of cynical dweebs who'll lap up anything with the Star Trek label on it and will gleefully jump down the throats of anyone who stands up and cries "foul"?
Watch your mouth, April. JuanBolio is no dweeb, nor am I lapping up anything I don't like because of a label. I can accept new and old together, simultaneously, though they be in direct contradiction. Why can't you?
Was it ever established on-screen that Gary Mitchell was even in the same class as Kirk, though?I'd like it if they at least had some sort of reference to Gary Mitchell, who was such a pivotal character in Where No Man Has Gone Before (one of the best TOS episodes, IMHO). Maybe he's off sick and can't graduate with the rest of Kirk's class, as was the case I believe in Vonda N. McIntyre's 80's novel Enterprise: The First Adventure? That would be fine with me
But we probably won't get that though
From the Memory Alpha article on Mitchell:
It's hard to be sure, but this movie may simply not touch on that time at all. Doesn't make Mitchell go away -- he's just not part of this story. Same goes for the details cited from "Court Martial" and "Obsession". Omission and denial are two very different things.
I was thinking exactly the same thing while reading though here. Well done sir.
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