Well that's "Court Martial" and "Obsession" gone then (SPOILERS)
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This wouldn't be an issue if Abrams and Cohorts just admitted they were doing a reboot already. But no, they have to insist that it is part of Canon. Despite the fact that at this point, there's too many contradictions for that to be the case. Oh, but wait, A&C realize this, and are promising a "Canon explanation" to rationalize everything, which basically is the timeline is altered and everything has changed. Reminds me of the "wizard did it" excuse used in Simpsons for continuity errors. Except they were joking, and Abrams and Cohorts are serious. Sad.
Kirk said that Captain Garrovick was his CO 'from the day he left the Academy'. It doesn't say what *ship* was involved. Garrovick could have commanded more than one ship.
Also, at some point, Garrovick might not have even been a full Captain. We know he was one when he was killed. But perhaps Garrovick and Kirk served together for awhile, with Garrovick always outranking Kirk.
While I'm not exactly pleased with this omitting of certain instances in Trek history, it's interesting to note that back when TNG first appeared, Gene Roddenberry himself said that there were some elements of TOS he did not consider to be "canonical" in light of the new series.
Please don't use my reply to the OP to substantiate your obsession with why you hate this movie, because I don't agree with you.
No, he said that there were some elements of "Star Trek V: The Final Frontier" that he considered canonical, not anything in TOS. But quite frankly, although I understand where he was coming from with that movie, by that time Gene Roddenberry's opinions didn't mean shit. I mean it's not like Paramount stopped selling the DVDs of the movie because of how he felt about it.
Is it so hard for some of you to enjoy two contradicting pieces of Star Trek at the same time??? No episode of TOS is gone. All still there. All can be enjoyed. You don't have to reconcile this new Trek with the old. Just enjoy both for what they are in and of themselves.
No Republic, no Farragut, no Garrovick ... if there won't be a canon explanation for all of this, this movie will suck even more than Nemesis did.
But it seems that most people on this board don't care that much for Star Trek as such. If all you want is a cool looking movie with lots of explosions, then why don't you go see Star Wars instead?
I was getting slightly optimistic about this movie, even though I hate remakes. But when I saw the trailer and read the spoilers, they completely lost me.
I still don't see the necessity of a remake in the first place. It's bound to screw up everything, and recasting the TOS characters doesn't help either. I'd rather have a Voyager movie than this lame excuse of a wank fest.
Speaking of Voyager ... I really hope that we'll see a big fat reset button at the end of the movie. Maybe nothing really happens ... Kobayashi Maru, anyone?
You know, I keep hearing this about Roddenberry. Can someone point me in the general direction of a book, interview or article that he is actually quoted as saying he considered aspects of TOS non-canonical?
I think the point's already been made that we were told early on that this will be "just a story in the existing timeline" as if everything else was going to remain in place.
They lied.
This spoils it for many.
It also means that it'll be next to impossible to do additional stories in the other era (24th century) unless they're going to say that by TNG the timeline more or less got back on track and is essentially the same as we've seen. (Even the books will be affected, since they require onscreen canon as their support.)
People feel that the whole thing's been ripped away and can't be added to any more. It's sort of DEAD and all we can do now is go back and look at old photos.
Okay, there's nu-Trek, a new reality or universe to depict. Fine.
And how much of that will there be? Three movies? After that, WHAT?
How does it affect the novels, the only Trek we've had for a good while?
The whole existing continuity is TRASHED and GONE because of one movie maker wanting to "do his own thing".
Sad.
I really hope somehow we'll hear SOMETHING that says by the TNG era, everything DID get back on Track and only Kirk's era was affected.
Of course, we were also told that the new movie wouldn't affect continuity a bit.
We know how dependable that assurance was.
I have the feeling you're right, considering how nasty some people can be when someone reasonably explains why altering the continuity alters all of Trek. They certainly don't lend support to their position. All they're doing is making themselves look like animals who LIKE violent entertainment, and are violent in nature themselves.
I disagree about the movie being a "remake". It didn't have to be, nor did re-casting the original roles make it a "bad thing". (Ever seen the New Voyages webisodes? New cast, but still Kirk and Spock, etc.)
JJ could have kept things looking pretty much the same and carefully made his plot fit the existing facts we know. (I've said it before- Look at the uniform changes. If he'd only done that degree of change to the look of things, it probably would have been okay.)
What were the TV writers of "Trials and Tribble-ations" able to do he wasn't able to do? Were they more creative than JJ and his people, or simply more loyal to the source material?
We know the answer.
JJ didn't stick with look or the continuity. THAT is what makes this "a bad thing". Paramount has been shortsighted because all this new movie is going to do is give us a few films in this new timeline, and in the meantime WRECK all the other things (like novels) that tie into the old.
At this point, they'll pretty much have to come up with a fans' handbook explaining where any new novels (or even TV shows?) stand with regards to WHICH timeline/universe they're in. The one by JJ, or the original.
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He was answering a question about World War III and the Post-Atomic Horror from "Encounter at Farpoint", IIRC.
Interviews in "Starlog" during the first year of TNG, Lincoln Enterprises TNG newsletters, and Richard Arnold's column in the Official Fan Club's "ST Communicator". I don't have any specific dates on hand.
No. There is nothing preventing additional stories in the "old" timeline, even if this is a reboot. Even if they never made another story in the old timeline again, we have how many hundreds of hours of it? How much more could we have possibly stuffed in?
Star Trek ain't going anywhere. Calm down.
Or, you could just wait six months, go see the movie, then judge it on its own merits once you've actually seen what the movie is about instead of making all these assumptions. If it's to your taste, great, and if not, you've got your TOS DVDs to watch for the rest of your life. I hope this post makes you feel better
Not only that, but there's nothing to say the original timeline, if changed, won't ever come back.
Or, you could just wait six months, go see the movie, then judge it on its own merits once you've actually seen what the movie is about instead of making all these assumptions. If it's to your taste, great, and if not, you've got your TOS DVDs to watch for the rest of your life. I hope this post makes you feel better
Wasn't "Obsession" in trouble when the dead Mr Leslie turned up alive in another episode? 
Jeff Ayers discusses Gene's "revisionist" ideas on pages 312-313 of Voyages of Imagination.
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