I thought the first Kirk scene was hallucination and later he was really there!
I think its weird that two episodes in a row spock is hallucinating.
I thought the first Kirk scene was hallucination and later he was really there!
Yeah the two situations are so similar.Sisko chewed Worf out for trying to send Kurn to Stovokor and yet he ordered Worf to “take care of the Gowron situation”.
pulling Romulus into the war really did change him I guess.
I noticed this easter egg, and haven't seen it mentioned yet. Ortegas wearing a replica Shran antenna that Archer damaged during combat with an ice knife in the Enterprise Episode United.It was hard to know where to look. Some of the scenes were so filled with wacky little easter eggs!
The Scotty reactions, in particular, were hilarious.
Haven't read all the viewer reactions yet, but I am sure this is another love it/hate it type of episode. It felt like the kind of episode you could show at a Trek convention. It would be fun to observe all the audience reactions. Like the time I went to a large "Star Trek V" preview screening full of convention-goers.


I completely forgot about Pelia!I loved everything about this episode. The acting was wonderful across the board. The easter eggs were many and delightful. Total Eclipse of the Heart in the original Klingon and the plants. The memory of it makes me laugh all over again.
It's a 10 from me. Just a shame Pelia wasn't in it.
Fun fact: I am a bingo caller and yeah that scene resonated with me.
he was there at the end - thought it was that on planet he wasn’t seeing as Erica and Scotty couldn’t see him on planet but could at the transporter platformNope, it was a Toronto Hotel.
You missed part of the episode, Spock wasn't hallucinating Kirk, the guy was actually there and Spock just thought he was a hallucination.
The gag was that Kirk just happened to be on leave on that specific planet at the same time as the crew, but Spock thought he was a hallucination. He just happens to be out of the room [EDIT: correction, I just saw @Tosk's breakdown of the reveal, he's just standing really still in the room] when Ortegas and Scotty visit. It's done in such a way that he seems, from our perspective, to be the hallucination that Spock thinks he is.Might be reading it wrong but I thought that was the point of it that Spock thought he was still imagining it as Kirk never indicated he was with Spock on planet
That's a understatement.That wasn't great.
That's more like it.It was god awful.
I noticed this easter egg, and haven't seen it mentioned yet. Ortegas wearing a replica Shran antenna that Archer damaged during combat with an ice knife in the Enterprise Episode United.

I did think immediately it was "Scratch 'n' Sniff". Although Farscape I loved its weirdness, as the show show was werid at its core.Star Trek does Farscape!
I love this sort of analyses of the show, so thank you for this. (I also apparently didn't realize so many people hated Khan)I thought it was okay but flawed, but just to put the Trek BBS poll ratings in context: A while back I logged the Trek BBS polls out of curiosity to see how they compared with IMDb and all that. (Yeah, I have weird hobbies sometimes.)
I've updated the last year or so (everything from Section 31 forward including SNW S4) to make them up-to-date; older episodes may be missing recent votes.
As of this writing, this episode is the second lowest-rated episode of SNW overall ahead of "Four-and-a-Half Vulcans" but somehow rated worse than "A Space Adventure Hour".
"What Is Starfleet?" 7.31 "Wedding Bell Blues" 6.98 "A Space Adventure Hour" 6.54 "Human Best Friend" 6.35 "Four-And-A-Half Vulcans" 6.20
That's based on an average of all votes.
The median is 7, which is the same as "A Space Adventure Hour" and "Four-and-a-Half Vulcans."
My calculations for the mode appear to be incorrect, so I'm not going to compare those.
If one views the standard deviation as a sign of an episode being controversial, it's the third most controversial.
"Four-And-A-Half Vulcans" 2.84 "A Space Adventure Hour" 2.83 "Human Best Friend" 2.65 "Subspace Rhapsody" 2.65
It's the sixth worst rated for modern Trek overall:
"Human Best Friend" (SNW) 6.3 101 votes "The Good of All" (Khan) 6.3 14 "Four-And-A-Half Vulcans" (SNW) 6.2 171 "Vitus Reflux" (SFA) 6.1 136 “Ko‘Zeine” (SFA) 6.0 104 Star Trek: Section 31 3.9 254
And 11th-highest standard deviation.
"Eternity's Face" (Khan) 3.03 "Original Sin" (Khan) 2.89 "Ephraim and Dot" (Short Treks) 2.86 "Four-And-A-Half Vulcans" (SNW) 2.84 "A Space Adventure Hour" (SNW) 2.83 “The Life of the Stars” (SFA) 2.80 "That Hope Is You, Part 2" (DSC) 2.79 "Monsters" (PIC) 2.71 “Series Acclimation Mil” (SFA) 2.69 "Life, Itself" (DSC) 2.69 "Human Best Friend" (SNW) 2.65
(Note that I suspect some episodes of Khan and Short Treks had disproportionately high standard deviations as a result of having fewer voters overall.)
Anyway, this isn't a judgment of the episode one way or the other; these are just the numbers for context.
Note that since votes are still actively rolling it the picture could change significantly over the next week or two. The number of votes will likely close to double from the number that I used when checking this, and the current numbers will likely even be different than the ones I used for my calculations by the time I hit "Post" on this.
That said it doesn't necessarily disprove that...
but since no episode has ever rated an average lower than 6* that I can find, you could arguably say that about every episode released in the past 10 years. (Though apparently not for Section 31.)
* Okay, technically 5.99038.
I love this sort of analyses of the show, so thank you for this. (I also apparently didn't realize so many people hated Khan)
As of this writing, this episode is the second lowest-rated episode of SNW overall ahead of "Four-and-a-Half Vulcans" but somehow rated worse than "A Space Adventure Hour".
"What Is Starfleet?" 7.31 "Wedding Bell Blues" 6.98 "A Space Adventure Hour" 6.54 "Human Best Friend" 6.35 "Four-And-A-Half Vulcans" 6.20
Yes.I got to shake that hand. Doohan was a memorable experience to say the least.

I have seen nobody else get that message from this episode certainly not a deep message. It's also generally accepted in western culture at least that young people are far less likely to have that attitude than the previous few generations.But I don’t see how its bad.
There’s actually a deep message about how young people live today – “live fast and leave a pretty corpse.” For all the complaints that SNW is not about anything and there are no message episodes like old Star Trek, they offer up some social commentary in this episode.
The gag was that Kirk just happened to be on leave on that specific planet at the same time as the crew, but Spock thought he was a hallucination. He just happens to be out of the room [EDIT: correction, I just saw @Tosk's breakdown of the reveal, he's just standing really still in the room] when Ortegas and Scotty visit. It's done in such a way that he seems, from our perspective, to be the hallucination that Spock thinks he is.
(Honestly, it's a bit confusingly executed and doesn't make a lot of sense if you think about it too much. Like why does Kirk never appear to be impaired if he was really there? Maybe being inebriated makes him a hugger, I guess? Standing really still might work on the drunk/high/impaired people as a bozo comedy stealth technique, but why does the sober Ortegas not notice him? Basically, don't worry about it.)
I want to clarify.He just happens to be out of the room [EDIT: correction, I just saw @Tosk's breakdown of the reveal, he's just standing really still in the room] when Ortegas and Scotty visit. It's done in such a way that he seems, from our perspective, to be the hallucination that Spock thinks he is.
Yes. Particularly for SNW's writers.Humour. It is a difficult concept.
They learned from TNG.Yes. Particularly for SNW's writers.
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