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Spoilers The Controversial Star Wars Opinion Thread

The Thrawn trilogy isn't all it's cracked up to be.
You take that back you heartless creature you!

In all seriousness - that series holds a lot of nostalgia for me, being the first EU books I read, and the introduction of Gilad Pellaeon and his arc through to the Yuuzahn Vong era is one that I am very fond of.

I did also hope when I saw the first visuals of Ray Stevenson in Ashoka that he would be Jorus Ca'boath.

It isn't perfect but in terms of world building and setting up the New Republic it drew me in so if they did ever make a live action version I would be all kinds of excited.
 
Yep. It doesn't bother me. Small world syndrome has been baked into pop culture since I was little. Entertainment likes sure bets, and small world syndrome helps ensure those bets.
Same. I just learned that Golden Girls spun off two shows that had some crossover for the characters. NCIS and JAG, also show that at times, a small world.
 
While I do enjoy the Thrawn trilogy, one big problem I tend to have with Timothy Zahn's Star Wars books is they're a little too military sci-fi, not enough pulpy mythic fantasy. That was an issue that plagued a lot of the Legends EU.
Yeah, the EU definitely leaned a lot harder to the sci-fi side of the franchise than the fantasy one.
I've never been able to get into any of the animated projects. For example, I tried Maul: Shadow Lord, found my attention wandering, and haven't gone back for any of the rest of it.
Is it just because they're animated or is it just the writing, or acting or something like that?
Pop culture franchises tend to create small worlds so as to connect everything more easily, simplifying writing and making audiences feel more at ease. Even Andor. which has the fewest cameos and callbacks of any Disney Star Wars property, still has some cameos and callbacks and references characters and planets hardcore fans would recognize.
There's no point setting something in a shared universe if you don't bring over familiar elements from that universe.
Same. I just learned that Golden Girls spun off two shows that had some crossover for the characters. NCIS and JAG, also show that at times, a small world.
The NCISverse is a lot bigger than that, there's the 5 NCIS shows, with a 6 starting next season, and then we had NCIS: LA crossover at least once with Hawai'i 5-0, so we can include that, and 5-0 also shared characters with the Magnum PI reboot, and either 5-0 or Magnum PI crossover with the Maguyver reboot. I think there might be at least one other that Hawai'i 5-0 or Maguyver crossed over with but I'm not positive.
 
The NCISverse is a lot bigger than that, there's the 5 NCIS shows, with a 6 starting next season, and then we had NCIS: LA crossover at least once with Hawai'i 5-0, so we can include that, and 5-0 also shared characters with the Magnum PI reboot, and either 5-0 or Magnum PI crossover with the Maguyver reboot. I think there might be at least one other that Hawai'i 5-0 or Maguyver crossed over with but I'm not positive.
How dare they!



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There's no point setting something in a shared universe if you don't bring over familiar elements from that universe.
Every bit of this. I know it irks some fans, but shared universes exist for reasons and if that's not for an audience then there's other stuff out there for those fans.
 
Pop culture franchises tend to create small worlds so as to connect everything more easily, simplifying writing and making audiences feel more at ease. Even Andor. which has the fewest cameos and callbacks of any Disney Star Wars property, still has some cameos and callbacks and references characters and planets hardcore fans would recognize.
Oh yeah, there's a ton of stuff in it.
I doubt that it actually has the fewest callbacks of any Disney SW property, but I guess it depends on the meaning of callback. Most if not all of the movie character cameos are from Rogue One.
 
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Probably not controversial, but I hate that they added sparks exploding in lightsaber fights. Imagine if they were fighting in a dry forest and it erupts into flames.

Actually, that might've been a cool setting for the Obi-Wan/Anakin duel in ROTS. Also a bit poetic with Endor in ROTJ.
 
It feels like they pulled the sword sparks in from the original Highlander for some extra "kewl" factor. But, to be fair, as far back as the original ANH battle between Vader and Kenobi, while there were no sparks, there were bright flashes of light that washed out the whole picture when the blades collided for effect.
 
And we get it, Thrawn and Pellaeon are fascist Holmes and Watson.
I may have told this story before.

Several years ago, after Thrawn came out, Timothy Zahn was attending Farpoint, a convention local to me in Baltimore. I stood in Zahn's autograph line, and when it was my turn, I handed him the book. He looked up at me -- he was seated -- and he asked me what I thought.

"Two things. First, I felt incredibly dumb; I missed an obvious clue. And second, this was the strangest Sherlock Holmes novel I've read."

He finished signing. He stood up, handed me the book, looked me in the eye, and asked me to explain.

The obvious clue that I missed was the Cygnus/Nightswan connection. I know Earth's constellations; Cygnus is a swan in the night sky. Nightswan. "I knew this, and I didn't make the connection, because this takes place in another galaxy where they don't speak English or have our constellations, so I took the names literally."

And he talked about how Leia drinks hot chocolate in Heir to the Empire, which was just how it was translated. I hadn't thought of his Star Wars fiction in "Red Book of Westmarch" terms, but it made sense.

The second point, there's obvious Holmes/Watson parallels in the Thrawn/Vanto relationship in Thrawn, and retrospectively I can see that in the Thrawn/Pellaeon relationship as well.

Zahn spent a few minutes, holding up the line, for this conversation. It's what every writer wants, an attentive reader.

While I do enjoy the Thrawn trilogy, one big problem I tend to have with Timothy Zahn's Star Wars books is they're a little too military sci-fi, not enough pulpy mythic fantasy. That was an issue that plagued a lot of the Legends EU.
I sometimes think one of the appeals of the EU is that the Bantam novelists generally approached Star Wars as a harder sci-fi universe than Lucas did. They tried to worldbuild -- Zahn worked out a chronology of the Clone Wars for Heir to the Empire -- and tried to rationalize and ground their books.

I was thinking yesterday about Vader's failure at Hoth. As cool at the AT-ATs are, as awesome as Beowulf expert Julian Glover is, a ground assault on the Rebel base was entirely the wrong approach, because it gave the Rebels a slim chance of escape.

The Rebel base has shields? Fine. Just bombard the glacier from orbit, have the ejecta pile up on the shield, and bury the Rebel base, trapping them under the shield and the accumulated mass of snow and ice. Drag some comets in from the Oort cloud with tractor beams and drop them on the Rebel base if they need more material. Just bury the Rebels, lay siege, and wait for them to surrender -- which they will, through probably not until most of them have died of starvation.

That's how I think Thrawn would have handled Hoth. Tarkin, without a Death Star, might have done the same. But Vader's haste and his desire to take "the son of Skywalker" alive led to a debacle that allowed key Rebellion personnel to escape, and that led to the Empire's defeat.

The Empire could have ended the Rebellion then and there at Hoth with a different and more ruthless strategy.
 
Pop culture franchises tend to create small worlds so as to connect everything more easily, simplifying writing and making audiences feel more at ease. Even Andor. which has the fewest cameos and callbacks of any Disney Star Wars property, still has some cameos and callbacks and references characters and planets hardcore fans would recognize.
I think there's also a damned if you do, damned if you don't element. Like, for Andor, incorporating Bail Organa can be seen as small-universe fan-service, oh, the only other anti-Palpatine senator we've seen not only makes Mon Mothma's speech possible, he's also got his own independent network of rebel agents to try and help her escape, how convenient, but if they'd tried to avoid the recasting by having a new rebel-sympathizer character fill his role, there would've been just as many cries of "Where was this guy before?" and god forbid they dipped into the lore for a name and made him Garm Bel Iblis, then then the cries of "Glup Shitto" would be even louder.

Stories are how we made an overly complicated and even incoherent world into something that makes sense, and part of that is condensing, consolidating, and revisiting characters, events, and locations. It's also something attractive to both curation- and creation-minded fans, the idea that you can know everything there is to know about a fictional world, whether to hold the whole thing in your mind, or as a springboard to build on further. On the other hand, there are also going to be people who are rubbed the wrong way by the idea that there's too much Star Wars in this Star Wars story.

Darth Vader's anger and impatience eventually destroyed the Empire that he and Sidious had spent a generation building. Totally tracks with the impetuous and hubristic man who was once Anakin Skywalker.
Palpatine was also excessively focused on Luke as the big prize and overlooked the danger posed by "little people" of the rebellion, himself. "Battle meditation" and the will of the Force and all that notwithstanding, Palpatine would've still had his Death Star blown out from under him regardless of whether he succeeded in turning or killing Luke based on the simple facts of what happened.
 
Zahn worked out a chronology of the Clone Wars for Heir to the Empire
I don't claim to know what was in his personal notes, but as for what made it into the content of the book itself I'd stop short of calling it a chronology. As far as I know it's just this passage: "The early clones - or at least those the fleet had faced - had been highly unstable, both mentally and emotionally. Sometimes spectacularly so..." ( bolding is mine, not from the text ) That and Outbound Flight being launched right before the Clone Wars started.

And of course Dark Force Rising went on to place Darth Vader ( as we knew him ) at a point during the Clone Wars, which is essentially an error.
 
Was he? The New Republic was incompetent and the galaxy was back to its former shape in a few years.
Unless you want to tell me that Rey was the chosen one, then yes he was. :eek::lol::nyah:

And, yes, the official line from lucasfilm is that Anakin was The Chosen One.

The Force cares not for politics.
 
Every bit of this. I know it irks some fans, but shared universes exist for reasons and if that's not for an audience then there's other stuff out there for those fans.
This and the mention of NICS remined of something that's been driving me nuts. NCIS: Sydney just finished it's second season, and there has been absolutely no connection to the other series. I understand it's produced and filmed in another country, but you'd think could at least get one or two of the actors from the original to at least show up on a video chat or something. Return to Paradise, the Australian spin-off of Death in Paradise managed to get former Death in Paradise actor Ardal O'Hanlan to do a couple scenes as his DiP character in a couple episodes.
 
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