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Spoilers Star Trek: Starfleet Academy 1x08 – “The Life of the Stars”

Rate the episode...

  • 10 - Excellent!

    Votes: 28 22.6%
  • 9

    Votes: 35 28.2%
  • 8

    Votes: 17 13.7%
  • 7

    Votes: 11 8.9%
  • 6

    Votes: 5 4.0%
  • 5

    Votes: 8 6.5%
  • 4

    Votes: 3 2.4%
  • 3

    Votes: 2 1.6%
  • 2

    Votes: 6 4.8%
  • 1 - Terrible.

    Votes: 9 7.3%

  • Total voters
    124
My opinion on "Real Life" is the fact that I have always maintained Belenna's alterations weren't as simple as, "Fake Family is Fake." The Doctor might not have created them as real as himself but they were still the same sort of life forms as himself and I don't think she appreciated that they were not as sentient but he might have actually viewed them as alive in some way.

Like his cat dying.

As we see with the excretable Irish village, it's possible that given time they could have evolved into fully developed people too.
 
The Irish villagers never became anything more than computer game characters iirc, Janeway was just (slightly) worried about the morale issues with just getting rid of them when they started taking hostages.
 
Yeah, but she's a well known psychopath. ;)
Would a psychopath say this
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Not a big fan of this one. I don’t understand why this particular episode of Voyager carried so much gravitas for The Doctor. I get that, as a hologram, 800 years can feel like yesterday—but there’s never been any hint that it was such a tremendous loss for him. Maybe it’s because of the “reset policy” common in the Berman-era Trek, where episodes tended to return characters to baseline afterward, but having all of his pain and suffering over 800 years attributed solely to the loss of his daughter felt like a stretch. Personally, I would have liked to hear what he’d been up to over those centuries and see how multiple losses might have shaped his behavior.

As for Tilly, she didn’t really do anything for me in this episode either. And that’s not to say I’m one of those Tilly haters—she can be annoying, but she’s a fun addition to the universe. I would have liked it if she were at least a lieutenant commander by now. And while we’re at it, I didn’t really understand why she was portrayed as being so close to Nahla. Hasn’t it only been a handful of years since her time on Discovery and her Academy days? It feels like there’s a lack of backstory to explain the depth of their connection.

All in all, this one gets a 6 from me.

I'm on board with this. I actually felt Tilly was the best part of this, although the Kasq part was solid as well and I wasn't a fan of Tilly AT ALL in Discovery. The episode continued a trend that has been going on since Kurtzman took over, and that is the out-of-the-blue character connection or revelation that had never taken center stage before, but is all of a sudden played as if it were this big payoff. I remember "An Obol for Charon" (I think it was) where Saru is apparently dying, and Burnham is played as if the two of them had been close friends and their interactions are all super emotional, whereas they had actually just been shown as rather strict rivals up to that point. Or Airiam's death episode, where the script gaslit the audience into thinking that this had been a major character (she wasn't) and that everyone had deep connections to her (they hadn't, or at least we hadn't seen that).

Here too, the script wants us to empathize with the cadets and what is claimed is their huge trauma. But last episode, i.e. since the Miyazaki incident, we hadn't witnessed all that much trauma in any of them, so it feels disingenuous here. In fact, there were many scenes where it felt as if I had missed a couple of episodes, because I had no idea what they're even talking about.

Besides, it's not very Star Trek to (again) grind the adventure, such as it is, to a halt to have characters play theater and talk about their emotions. So I too felt this was among the weaker episodes overall.

As for the Doctor, it would've not only been more interesting and satisfying, but better ST as well if they had done a flashback-sort of episode that covered all the centuries of his existence, and all the losses he has experienced in that time. His "Real Life" daughter could've been a part of this, sure, but it would've been more compelling if the inevitable deaths of Janeway, Seven, Kes, the rest of the Voyager crew, some people he found in in interim and lost again, were the reason he has become guarded against attachment.
 
I thought the Doctor/SAM stuff was the strongest part. Some good stuff from Picardo. Kinda crazy that Ake and The Doctor are 17 years older just like that. FWIW, H&I showed the episode with The Doctors family a few days ago. It’s a good ep with a punch of an ending. I always liked that Paris made him go back to confront the loss. But it is kinda interesting that the loss there and his family from “Blink of an Eye” seem to hold more weight than the Voyager crew. Not saying it’s bad, just interesting.

The Tarima stuff was a bit too cliche but it worked. I actually kinda liked Tilly’s idea to use a play as a form of therapy. Although it may have been fun to see a montage of them actually trying different plays like Jay-Dens Klingon thing before settling on “Our Town”.

Speaking of Tilly…there were moments where she was good. But mostly it was the same Tilly that I thought wore out her welcome on Discovery. The interactions with her and Reno felt a little too cutesy.

7/10. Not a top end episode but some good stuff. Hopefully we move past this trauma for the last two episodes.
 
I thought there was some weirdness to this episode. For some reason the scene where Tarima is drunk seemed,,,off. I'm not sure why, but it did. Not very descriptive, I know.

I thought the rest of it was very good. I told my wife early on that the Doctor's problem was going to be the daughter he lost in Real Life (a brutal and wonderful VOY episode).

Tilly!!! I love her and she should be a regular on the show. Her interactions with Reno alone are worth the price of admission.

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The theater class was mandated therapy. I’m reminded of company team building retreats and courses that are often comedy fodder in TV shows.
I get the context, I don't like the execution because it just feels strange within the fiction of the world.

Jay-Den was offered therapy after learning about the potential extinction of the Klingons and they just let him tell them to fuck off and stew in his own depression. Can we argue that the debate class was also therapy? If so, when do they take actual classes?

Like how does this college run itself? What do they actually learn in the first 5 episodes that prepared them for the Miyazaki exam?
 
I'm on board with this. I actually felt Tilly was the best part of this, although the Kasq part was solid as well and I wasn't a fan of Tilly AT ALL in Discovery. The episode continued a trend that has been going on since Kurtzman took over, and that is the out-of-the-blue character connection or revelation that had never taken center stage before, but is all of a sudden played as if it were this big payoff. I remember "An Obol for Charon" (I think it was) where Saru is apparently dying, and Burnham is played as if the two of them had been close friends and their interactions are all super emotional, whereas they had actually just been shown as rather strict rivals up to that point. Or Airiam's death episode, where the script gaslit the audience into thinking that this had been a major character (she wasn't) and that everyone had deep connections to her (they hadn't, or at least we hadn't seen that).
Who exactly are you referring to here? Tilly? Tarima? SAM? Tarima is a regular and has been featured a several episodes. She's the sister of one character and the girlfriend of another. SAM is a character who's part of the core group of cadets and has interacted will all of them.

This can't be your first foray into episodic TV. "Instant' connections between characters an another happen weekly, often between a regular and guest star. Burnham and Saru can be friends and rivals. Much like Spock had an adversarial relationship with McCoy, yet liked each other. Airiam was essentially the guest star in her episode. And like guest stars in past Treks, met a tragic end. All we need to know (and care) about her was covered in the episode. It wasn't "gaslighting" by any stretch of the imagination.
 
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I get the context, I don't like the execution because it just feels strange within the fiction of the world.

Jay-Den was offered therapy after learning about the potential extinction of the Klingons and they just let him tell them to fuck off and stew in his own depression. Can we argue that the debate class was also therapy? If so, when do they take actual classes?

Like how does this college run itself? What do they actually learn in the first 5 episodes that prepared them for the Miyazaki exam?
The show isn't really about them in class or even what classes they take. That only matters when it's germane to the plot. The same with running a Starship in TOS, TNG or VOY. It's a setting where things happen.
 
Between episodes.

it's been like 6 months since Episode 1, we haven't seen everything they've done.

The show isn't really about them in class or even what classes they take. That only matters when it's germane to the plot. The same with running a Starship in TOS, TNG or VOY. It's a setting where things happen.

The writers are choosing what to show though. I made this point on another board, but just because a show is teen drama doesn't mean they necessarily ignore the thing they do. Friday Night Lights had a pretense of showing the kids playing and practicing football, Glee had a pretense of practicing singing, even Heated Rivalry shows hockey once in a while in between all the steamy stuff that people are actually interested in.

They wrote an episode based around taking a laser tag gym class, which would have been fine if it paid off later on if they had Darem defer to Genesis during a crisis or if the one of them were on the Miyazaki instead and had a reason to show off their phaser prowess.
 
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