Especially as administered by Lt. Tilly who has long been established as qualified to do such work in the medically validated ways they are most effective…
Spoilers Star Trek: Starfleet Academy 1x08 – “The Life of the Stars”
Well, fat good Ake accomplished against the Venari Ral!
I assume they have to be individuals because they two we've seen so far seem to have different personalities.
Well, except that not starting with her as a child almost kills her.
Ouch, that stings a bit, although I'll take your word for it that apparently it's not as well as known in Ireland.
To be honest, it's not something that's really taught in schools or academia. It's not a "serious" drama, but a slapstick black comedy about murder and missplaced corpses that's been a perennial favorite since the 1940s. (The original Broadway cast starred Boris Karloff as a homicidal madman who killed anyone who said he looked like Boris Karloff.)
For what it's worth, I strongly recommend the classic 1944 movie version starring Cary Grant and Peter Lorre, even though the movie version lost a couple of jokes to the censors. (Sadly, Karloff was unable to take time off from the hit stage version to do the movie, so Raymond Massey was made up to resemble Karloff instead. I'm still grumpy about that.)
I'm not 100% sure, but I think Arsenic and Old Lace may have been one of the first plays I ever saw performed on stage as a kid. My dad took me to a production at a local community college. Loved the play (and movie) ever since.
And now I'm trying to imagine a Klingon production . . . .
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Which is irrelevant to the point that was being responded to, which suggested that drama, music or art therapy wouldn't be something a professional would do.
In any case, it is possibly several years post Discovery and it is suggested Tilly teaches the drama elective to other years, so she is presumably deemed to be qualified in this particular aspect.
But there are a number of charities such as Andy's Man Club https://andysmanclub.co.uk/about/faq/ that admit that the trainers are not professionally qualified and the sessions are peer led. This drama therapy is similar - Tilly is jusy there to direct and help them process.
That's a great point actually. They might've picked a fun musical just to lighten the down mood. That would make sense. It was a real bizarre "method" for getting them past their trauma.
It's almost like therapy takes different forms of healing or something.
Maybe she participated in a similar group herself, but for temporally displaced people, then was tasked with leading one like it.
My wife has done that as a trained professional and I fully respect that. However, group counseling is not what was done in this episode. The only similarity between what we saw and actual group counseling is that we had a group of traumatized individuals together in a group. Beyond that, no, there was no similarity.
It was almost exactly like my group.
This is true. But on the Miyazaki he all but ran away and let his comrades initially do the figthing. I could be wrong though. The camera work was so janky it was hard to make out...
Watching it again, she just tells them to "find a play" as homework without any other guidance. Like maybe she's hoping that someone will find one that deals with something relatable to the group and then she just forces some other play on them if they don't pick one that she thinks is worth doing.
It's... very strange. I know Cognitive Behavioural Therapy is supposed to be very patient-centred so maybe that's it. lol
I can't speak to that but it is an unorthodox approach to serious trauma (in the show, not sure about your group).It was almost exactly like my group.
But my main issue with the episode is more that it was bad in terms of drama. Telling us the message (via the play and class) rather than showing it by creating a new, compelling story that brings it to life.
Ultimately, that is what brings this episode down even if you somehow posit that the counseling approach was sound.
There's also Person Centered Therapy which is also very person centered.
There is Existential therapists who deal with philosophy and topics of meaning through a therapeutic lens.
There's so many different schools of therapeutic thought to support processing trauma, and managing symptoms, with a larger driving force behind many being that the therapist is not the expert on the client's experience but models healthy coping.
CBT is great but it is hardly the only way. The mocking attitude towards therapy in this thread is astounding to me.
It appeared as multiple surfaces (some square, some triangular) that formed a three-dimensional object as the shuttle craft approached.Whatever it was, I am the kind of weird fan who actually kinda likes that they didn’t tell us. Fires the imagination.
The Kasq probably don't require the physical object they formed to interact with each other, but formed it so they could interact with solid beings, in this case Ake.
Solids interact with photonics in a holodeck, the Kasq appear to have made a solideck, to interact with solids.
That's fine if you didn't like but the therapy was not problematic to me as an approach.
Sometimes sitting in a room and talking doesn't work for people. People can get stuck in trauma loops, or they may have trouble opening up to their their therapist/counsellor. The Cadets were stated to be getting formal trauma counselling, but not all the cadets were responding to it which is really realistic. Art Therapy is an actual thing and is an effective way to treat trauma, especially in regards to externalising the thoughts and feelings connected to that trauma.
It should also be noted that the Cadets were struggling to work together and bond. They needed a way to connect to each other that didn't involve something Starfleet. In this regard, performing a play was a great idea.
Peer support is also an effective therapy method. This is why in rehab centres the counsellors are often people who successfully recovered from their own drug dependency. Having a Starfleet officer who suffered severe trauma and worked through it to be a successful and productive officer was key to getting these kids to open up.
I'm hoping that's not directed at me. Therapy can be vital. While I think their choice of method is bizarre, I do think the cadets need counseling. And, as I mentioned, my biggest criticism is how siphoning from a play negatively affects the drama.
Fair enough. I can see the acting therapy thing being a secondary type of counseling that works in conjunction with more established, proven techniques that uses a fully trained mental health professional. Tilly might have some training in it but it's clearly not her main thing.
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