Complete nonsense. You have it totally backwards: Racist, sexist, homophobic and transphobic comments were called out for what they were. And those people making those comments liked to hide their bigotry behind “simply voicing criticism”. We were all there, so we really don’t need you to tell us what we experienced here.
So anyone who has valid criticisms of lets say SFA like the 21st century slang and vernacular, the bad soap opera writing, things barely changing in 900 years etc. Those criticisms are to hide bigotry? Is that what your saying? Ive never once complained about sexuality or race in star trek. I couldn't care less. Its all about story and it making sense. You guys bring this stuff up to justify some imagined huge war with other fans. Its ridiculous. Modern star trek isn't at the quality of TOS or Berman Trek except maybe SNW and Picard season 3.
No, that’s not what I’m saying. Like at all. All of those are of course completely fine, and I would have thought by now you would know that I actually understand my job as a moderator here as making sure negative criticisms as these can be voiced. Heck, if you go through some of the individual things I said about the show and the episodes, you’ll find plenty of negative criticism. I have something to complain about in almost every episode.
No, that’s not what I’m saying. Like at all. All of those are of course completely fine, and I would have thought by now you would know that I actually understand my job as a moderator here as making sure negative criticisms as these can be voiced. Heck, if you go through some of the individual things I said about the show and the episodes, you’ll find plenty of negative criticism. I have something to complain about in almost every episode.
I wasn’t even aware we were suddenly talking about you, because genuinely, I wasn’t. I’m talking about people who said bigoted things about this show or one of the previous shows. Something racist, sexist, homophobic … what have you. These kind of people usually act like the bigoted things they say about these shows are “just valid criticism”. For example, saying something like: “There’s too many women in leadership positions on the show. I have nothing against women and I just want the show to succeed, but I think this show would be better with strong men as leaders.“ This is a misogynistic comment disguised as just voicing a criticism of the show.
I genuinely think you are wrong about your estimation of how many bigoted viewers and fans of Star Trek there are and whether they present a problem or not. But putting that discussion to the side, does the rest of what I said make sense to you? Do you now understand what I meant?
When it comes to star trek ive never liked the fandom fighting to try and bring eachother down. I thing its the advent of youtube which is causing this. There are vocal fans on youtube warring with each other and accusing each side. I never thought star trek would bring out this kind of hate. But I think and hope the larger group of us fans aren't or wouldn't fall for any of this stuff. Sometimes I really miss the old days of star trek conventions and fans all excited about star trek and arguing about fun things like tech or story inconsistencies. Basically nerd stuff.
You said something similar the other day that let me think you weren’t doing conventions anymore. As someone who just started visiting conventions within the last 15 years or so, I can only implore you to attend one again, because they still are super fun and it’s always interesting meeting and talking to other fans, being awkward together, celebrating Trek.
Star Wars PT backlash had to do with males primarily.
Hahaha.
it lasted for the better part of 20 years.
Yup
I saw criticism all about the characters. Yes, the dialogue was one aspect but the other one was simply how poorly the characters were. Anakin was considered laughable, not believable as a character, not just because of dialogue but his very odd emoting.
