Starfleet Academy Starship Thread

[Agony_Boothb]

This isn't a 'it's fine when they did it in the 90s but not now' thing. it's a 'I always didn't like it' thing.

There's no difference in expectations.


He's just stating his opinion. He's not dying on any hill.

You and the others are the the ones making it into a hill.

I'm not sure how I'm 'making it a hill' when I'm literally saying it's not an issue. Thanks for playing though and giving your 2 cents.

 

[Galaxy]

People might say that things like registry numbers are not important, but for me they add to the world building as a whole. In~ 40 years Starfleet only built ~ 300 capitol ships, so yeah they are spread far and few between.

 

[Eudoxia]

No, the TNG Romulans use singularities to power their warp drives. The singularity drive is explicitly a warp alternative, a completely different FTL propulsion method which seems to use singularities themselves to get from A to B.
Homage to Event Horizon (1997):

Right, sorry I wasn't clear.

 

[Dukhat]

People might say that things like registry numbers are not important, but for me they add to the world building as a whole. In~ 40 years Starfleet only built ~ 300 capitol ships, so yeah they are spread far and few between.

It's not that people think they're unimportant, but rather that they don't always correspond to when the ship was supposedly built. Or that's the argument, anyway. But the thing is, during the Berman era (the largest amount of time that continuous Trek shows were on the air, 1987-2005, 18 years), production personnel like Michael & Denise Okuda, Doug Drexler, Rich Sternbach, et.al were very vigorous in coming up with chronological registry schemes that made sense as to the construction dates of the ships. Every once in awhile there would be an anomaly or mistake, but overall it was extremely consistent. To the point that for those 18 years, registries were chronological about 95% of the time. And their influence still resonates in CBSTrek, although maybe more like 75% now. But it's still reasonably accurate as far as being able to tell a ship's age by its registry.

 

[fireproof78]

People might say that things like registry numbers are not important, but for me they add to the world building as a whole. In~ 40 years Starfleet only built ~ 300 capitol ships, so yeah they are spread far and few between.

I think they are just ok. It's like knowing the hull number of aircraft carriers. I kind of do. But, the ship is not important as the people in it so numbers won't stand out to me.

 

[Nerys Myk]

1941 word still perfectly fit into the range of the Constitution being 1700 and the Excelsior being 2000.

And 1031 fits in the range of 23rd Century Registry numbers.

 

[Galaxy]

And 1031 fits in the range of 23rd Century Registry numbers.

The curious thing is they got the Shenzhou's registry about right at NCC 1227. That might have been John Eve's work. They did describe the Shenzhou as an old ship. Discovery was described as brand new right off the ship yard, so one would have expected the registry to be in the high 1700s or low 1800s.

As a classified ship they might have appropriated an older Discovery's registry number.

 

[Dukhat]

The curious thing is they got the Shenzhou's registry about right at NCC 1227. That might have been John Eve's work. They did describe the Shenzhou as an old ship. Discovery was described as brand new right off the ship yard, so one would have expected the registry to be in the high 1700s or low 1800s.

As a classified ship they might have appropriated an older Discovery's registry number.

Eaves only contributed the class names. He didn’t come up with the individual ship names and registry numbers.

 

[Spike730]

When in the past was that, exactly?

I’d say during the TNG/DS9/VOY era, where more or less the same people were responsible for all three shows, which helped maintain a consistent style and vision.

Compare that to the 2380s in NuTrek, when we also had three shows running more or less concurrently: Lower Decks, Prodigy, and the Picard flashbacks. Each show used its own uniforms and different insignia. There was no cohesion—everyone was brewing their own soup.

 

[Arvis Tadjik]

The curious thing is they got the Shenzhou's registry about right at NCC 1227. That might have been John Eve's work. They did describe the Shenzhou as an old ship. Discovery was described as brand new right off the ship yard, so one would have expected the registry to be in the high 1700s or low 1800s.

As a classified ship they might have appropriated an older Discovery's registry number.

I still stick with the theory that registry numbers are assigned when the ship is ordered and not when it's built or even finished. Even if construction on a ship is paused, held off for several years, or whatever the case may be, the number was still assigned when the ship was ordered and that's how you end up with a number like 1031 still being "brand new." If the Discovery and Glenn had been ordered 10+ years earlier, held off or left unfinished for lack of need, then finished when the Spore Drive needed a testbed, then that's how those ships are brand new with an "older" registry number.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Yes, that's a definite possibility in this case. Still doesn't quite explain the use of TOS uniforms in the comic, but that's another story.

I think the ship was meant to be SNW Constitution-class and from that era, then changed later. It was filmed on the SNW bridge set. Hence, TOSish unis.

 

[Arvis Tadjik]

Yes, that's a definite possibility in this case. Still doesn't quite explain the use of TOS uniforms in the comic, but that's another story.

Lack of team coordination and no one doing any research.

DIS S3 already showed us (via Su'kal's simulation programs) what the various uniforms looked like leading up to current times, in addition to Adira seeing past Tal's uniforms when they served in Starfleet (at least two past ones did) which cover the period before the Burn and leading up to/crossing the Burn itself (which would be Admiral Tal's uniform).

 

[Turtletrekker]

Compare that to the 2380s in NuTrek, when we also had three shows running more or less concurrently: Lower Decks, Prodigy, and the Picard flashbacks. Each show used its own uniforms and different insignia. There was no cohesion—everyone was brewing their own soup.

This is a very good point actually, although those kind of aesthetic details are secondary to me compared to the fact that all three shows did their own variation of the "Starfleet vessels either lose and/or surrender control over to rogue automation" story.

 

[Dukhat]

I’d say during the TNG/DS9/VOY era, where more or less the same people were responsible for all three shows, which helped maintain a consistent style and vision.

Compare that to the 2380s in NuTrek, when we also had three shows running more or less concurrently: Lower Decks, Prodigy, and the Picard flashbacks. Each show used its own uniforms and different insignia. There was no cohesion—everyone was brewing their own soup.

Yes, it seemed very much like each show was in its own continuity...until they weren't.

I think the ship was meant to be SNW Constitution-class and from that era, then changed later. It was filmed on the SNW bridge set. Hence, TOSish unis.

That makes a lot of sense. The only problem is that the comic clearly shows the Miyazaki as the design we saw in the show.

 

[Fateor]

I’d say during the TNG/DS9/VOY era, where more or less the same people were responsible for all three shows, which helped maintain a consistent style and vision.

Compare that to the 2380s in NuTrek, when we also had three shows running more or less concurrently: Lower Decks, Prodigy, and the Picard flashbacks. Each show used its own uniforms and different insignia. There was no cohesion—everyone was brewing their own soup.

Lower Decks made it clear the uniform they used was just for the California class.

 

[Dukhat]

Lower Decks made it clear the uniform they used was just for the California class.

Not at the start of the show. In the first season everyone was wearing them, including starbase personnel and the crew of the Parliament class Vancouver.

 

[F. King Daniel]

That makes a lot of sense. The only problem is that the comic clearly shows the Miyazaki as the design we saw in the show.

Changed in post production, perhaps? That, or I'm totally wrong.

 

[Tuskin38]

Lower Decks made it clear the uniform they used was just for the California class.

Well no, because the Parliament Class and Douglas Station officers are wearing the same uniforms as the Cerritos crew.

Not at the start of the show. In the first season everyone was wearing them, including starbase personnel and the crew of the Parliament class Vancouver.

We do see the Titan's crew wearing the First Contact uniform in Season 1. There may have been an earlier appearance, but I honestly can't remember.

Compare that to the 2380s in NuTrek, when we also had three shows running more or less concurrently: Lower Decks, Prodigy, and the Picard flashbacks. Each show used its own uniforms and different insignia. There was no cohesion—everyone was brewing their own soup.

None of those shows overlapped in-universe however.

LDS ends a year or two before Prodigy season 1 starts, and Prodigy ended at the same time as the Mars attack, but everyone (except the Prodigy crew) were all wearing the Picard flashback uniform, so there was no real contradiction there.

It's not like the TNG era shows didn't have a unified uniform. DS9 crew had their own unique uniform, before Generations (which was originally going to have another new uniform) and Voyager used it.

And it was meant to be assignment based, because Sisko was wearing the TNG uniform at the start of the Emissary, and switches to the DS9 uniform before the end. Nearly every Federation ship crew that visits the station is still wearing the TNG uniform, and when Sisko is reassigned to Starfleet Command by Admiral Layton he switches back to the TNG uniform.

So I absolutely have no problem with there being multiple uniforms in use in Starfleet at once.

And it's not like the different modern productions don't talk. Jack Crusher (junior) is mentioned in Prodigy, and Beverly's jacket is the same one she wearing in Picard Season 3. She's also in London, which was mentioned in Picard Season 3.

One of the Prodigy writers mentioned that Daystrom Institute packing up the portal tech was meant to be a connection to the portal tech in Picard Season 3, even if it didn't look similar, but Prodigy S2 was in development before Picard Season 3, so they probably wouldn't have known what it looked like.

The three Toronto based Live Action shows also shared crew members. I know Timothy Peel worked on all 3 (and I think Picard Season 1, but I'm not sure) shows as art director for the motion graphics (animated computer screens and 2d elements like that). Plus the same makeup team was on all three, and costume designers.

 

[Fateor]

Well no, because the Parliament Class and Douglas Station officers are wearing the same uniforms as the Cerritos crew.

My mistake, it was a bit more expansive then just the cali class.

S3e5
BAJORAN: Yeah, I love those uniforms. If I join, do I get one?
BOIMLER: Yeah. Yeah, you do. I mean, our style isn't across the whole fleet, but they're in the California-class...

 

[Nerys Myk]

I’d say during the TNG/DS9/VOY era, where more or less the same people were responsible for all three shows, which helped maintain a consistent style and vision.

Compare that to the 2380s in NuTrek, when we also had three shows running more or less concurrently: Lower Decks, Prodigy, and the Picard flashbacks. Each show used its own uniforms and different insignia. There was no cohesion—everyone was brewing their own soup.

By the end of PRO, Janeway, Jellico and others were in the PIC flashback uniforms