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Starfleet Academy Starship Thread

Well no, because the Parliament Class and Douglas Station officers are wearing the same uniforms as the Cerritos crew.



We do see the Titan's crew wearing the First Contact uniform in Season 1. There may have been an earlier appearance, but I honestly can't remember.
The most glaring oddity to me is that the LDS admirals also wear a lower decks admiral's uniform. Are there higher and lower tier admiral levels now? :D
The FC uni first appeared in a flashback to the Quito or whatever it was, Mariner's previous Olympic class, docked at DS9.

I think the ship was meant to be SNW Constitution-class and from that era, then changed later. It was filmed on the SNW bridge set. Hence, TOSish unis.
It might've been planned as the recovered mirror 1701 from Disco...
 
LDS ends a year or two before Prodigy season 1 starts, and Prodigy ended at the same time as the Mars attack, but everyone (except the Prodigy crew) were all wearing the Picard flashback uniform, so there was no real contradiction there.

LD uses the FC uniforms and insignia until 2382.
PIC shows a fusion of the FC/Flashback uniforms in 2381 and switches to the regular flashback uniforms no later than 2382.
PRO uses an AGT-like uniform and insignia for the 2384-2385 period and switches to the PIC flashback uniforms in 2385 and reverts back to the rectangular Startleet insignia.

The LD/PIC contradiction is minor, but the PRO uniforms/insignia stick out like a sore thumb.
 
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LD uses the FC uniforms and insignia until 2382.
PIC shows a fusion of the FC/Flashback uniforms in 2381 and switches to the regular flashback uniforms no later than 2382.
PRO uses an AGT-like uniform and insignia for the 2384-2385 period and switches to the PIC flashback uniforms in 2385 and reverts back to the rectangular Startleet insignia.

The LD/PIC contradiction is minor, but the PRO uniforms/insignia stick out like a sore thumb.

The PRO uniform is unique to the crews of the Protostar (and later Prodigy) as we only ever see the crews of those two ships wearing those uniforms, including having a unique commbadge that's just the delta with half of the command burst down the middle.

It's typical that every show tries to have its own unique look (VOY pulled DS9's, but when DS9 swapped to the FC uniform that then made VOY unique). But it still requires some mental gymnastics since after VOY makes contact with Earth, suddenly they're replicating modern (FC) phaser rifles but haven't bothered to swap uniforms to the new ones... But this is also explained by the VOY not having the budget to swap the entire cast and supporting crew over to the new FC uniforms, so they remained in their existing DS9 uniforms for the duration of the show.

I would however like to point out that the AGT uniform, also used in Endgame and then again in PRO is now actually "main timeline" canon, along with the commbadge since they were shown in regular use in PRO S1 before swapping to the PIC uniforms in S2.
 
I still stick with the theory that registry numbers are assigned when the ship is ordered and not when it's built or even finished. Even if construction on a ship is paused, held off for several years, or whatever the case may be, the number was still assigned when the ship was ordered and that's how you end up with a number like 1031 still being "brand new." If the Discovery and Glenn had been ordered 10+ years earlier, held off or left unfinished for lack of need, then finished when the Spore Drive needed a testbed, then that's how those ships are brand new with an "older" registry number.
It could be even easier than that, the Discovery and Glenn could've been in service for years and were rebuilt around the spore drive. After all, the TOS Enterprise was brand new, "not a scratch, just rolled off the assembly line" in TMP, when it was also almost thirty years old.
 
I would however like to point out that the AGT uniform, also used in Endgame and then again in PRO is now actually "main timeline" canon, along with the commbadge since they were shown in regular use in PRO S1 before swapping to the PIC uniforms in S2.
PRO sadly didn't use the AGT/Visitor/Endgame uniforms, but a variation of the TNG/VOY dress uniforms (black TNG shoulders with a flap)
 
That was explained in dialogue.

Yes, they had to explain it because they realized it would have been a continuity error otherwise.

Let’s face facts: All of these shows started out with extremely little continuity between any of them, which only changed when they got cancelled and had to artificially hurry things up to end at overlapping dates. And even then, the continuity wasn’t airtight.
 
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They started talking to each other after both PIC S1 and LDS S1 had Riker come in to save the day at the end :D
 
People might say that things like registry numbers are not important, but for me they add to the world building as a whole. In~ 40 years Starfleet only built ~ 300 capitol ships, so yeah they are spread far and few between.
Except we know for a fact that's not how Registry numbers work. The creators have said there's supposed to be multiple methods so adversaries can't accurately guess Starfleet's in-service composition and the composition of particular fleets. IIRC, Maronne also confirmed from his time working on PIC that the idea that large blocs (e.g. chunks of the 10,000s, 20,000s, 40,000s, 80,000s) are set aside for huge production runs is also used behind the scenes, and that registries generally indicate production runs that loosely correlate serially with launch date, but not necessarily. Hence why Galaxy's number would "indicate a 2370s" launch but was contracted in the 2340s and launched in the 2350s. The registries are selected partially strategically.

So TLDR you may be even more correct because the actual number of ships built must be significantly lower than the shown registry numbers.
LD uses the FC uniforms and insignia until 2382.
PIC shows a fusion of the FC/Flashback uniforms in 2381 and switches to the regular flashback uniforms no later than 2382.
PRO uses an AGT-like uniform and insignia for the 2384-2385 period and switches to the PIC flashback uniforms in 2385 and reverts back to the rectangular Startleet insignia.

The LD/PIC contradiction is minor, but the PRO uniforms/insignia stick out like a sore thumb.
Remember the TNG and DS9/VOY uniforms were in use concurrently.

In the real world uniforms often do change quickly, and there is overlap because it takes time to produce and issue them (I understand the existence of replicators throws a wrench in that theory).

Since Parliament-class and Douglas Station uniforms were the same as California-class, I'd hesitantly suggest that it's a "2nd line" uniform. The Parliament-class is a mega-engineering ship (I like W359 project's hypothesis that it was originally designed to build Starbases for the 20-year missions of Project Galaxy), Douglas Stations seems to largely be an operations and logistics hub, and the California-class is largely an operations and logistics ship.

This would fit nicely with the Galaxy-class retaining its "TNG" uniform (albeit we do see them switch to the DS9 uniform in Generations) as unique to that ship.

The Prodigy Uniform can easily be explained as something used on prototype ships. Like the "Racer" uniform for the Delta Flyer. BTW the Protostar uniform is based on PIC's S1 uniform crossed with TNG, and the uniforms seen later in the show could be argued to be a stylistic variation of the LD uniform.
 
Must be an opt out clause since Voyager stuck with their OG DS9 design. ;)
Apparently there were plans for the crew to switch uniforms but Berman said no because he wanted Voyager to be 'visually distinct' from DS9 so viewers wouldn't confuse the two. In other words, Berman thought trek viewers were so stupid they wouldn't be able to differentiate two very different trek series if both shows used the same uniforms.
 
Even the Miyazaki’s plaque is SNW style


Apparently there were plans for the crew to switch uniforms but Berman said no because he wanted Voyager to be 'visually distinct' from DS9 so viewers wouldn't confuse the two. In other words, Berman thought trek viewers were so stupid they wouldn't be able to differentiate two very different trek series if both shows used the same uniforms.
Allegedly that’s also why there were no Sovereign class ships in DS9, so people wouldn’t think it was the Enterprise, but I’ve never found a source for that claim.
 
Yes, we poor, mentally disadvantaged fans are completely incapable of knowing the difference between DS9 and the TNG films. The presence of Soveriegn-class starships would have certainly discombobulated are tiny, addled little nerd brains... :lol: Fuck Berman.
 
Yes, we poor, mentally disadvantaged fans are completely incapable of knowing the difference between DS9 and the TNG films. The presence of Soveriegn-class starships would have certainly discombobulated are tiny, addled little nerd brains... :lol: Fuck Berman.
Although funnily enough. When Picard Season 2 aired, I remember seeing a bunch of comments from people wondering if the Sovereign class that appeared in that season was the Enterprise
 
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