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Spoilers Star Trek: Starfleet Academy 1x06 – “Come, Let’s Away”

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I'm a self-acknowledged continuity and canon nerd and even I wouldn't want to be the final say in things. Nobody in our community needs nor deserves that power.
I'd love to see it exactly once.

Having worked on a project with self described fan experts and the project was never completed I can say with a measure of certainty that it would be, as Doc Brown would say, a "spectacular wreck."


But, I don't believe a lot of fans around in Star Trek fandom actually watch the show to be entertained. I think being write on the Trek trivia has become the driving force of engagement with a new Trek show.
 
You think that Red Squad were assigned to the Valiant in the hopes that they might be killed (alongside all the actual officers on board) in an attempt to stop them testifying against Admiral Leyton?

Who arranged it and why? And what of the other people that would be able to testify against him? Were they all sent out into "maybe dangerous" assignments?
More to the point, even if someone wanted to put the Red Squad cadets to death to prevent them from testifying against Admiral Leyton, there are other ways they could have arranged that which also didn't include sacrificing a state of the art warship.
 
You think that Red Squad were assigned to the Valiant in the hopes that they might be killed (alongside all the actual officers on board) in an attempt to stop them testifying against Admiral Leyton?

Who arranged it and why? And what of the other people that would be able to testify against him? Were they all sent out into "maybe dangerous" assignments?
No? I think we're assigned to the Valiant to move them beyond anyone's ability to call in as witnesses.

Which is directly spelled out in the episode.
 
I'm a self-acknowledged continuity and canon nerd and even I wouldn't want to be the final say in things. Nobody in our community needs nor deserves that power.
If I wanted to see a historical index of Star Trek, I'd read Memory Alpha. If I want to be entertained, I'll watch one of the shows.

Needs of the plot should always be the first duty. Canon can do what it needs to make it fit once the episode airs.
 
No? I think we're assigned to the Valiant to move them beyond anyone's ability to call in as witnesses.

Which is directly spelled out in the episode.
I was under the impression they werent assigned to the Valiant until quite a bit later, like right before the Dominion War broke out.
 
No? I think we're assigned to the Valiant to move them beyond anyone's ability to call in as witnesses.

Which is directly spelled out in the episode.
You have my apologies for misunderstanding your position.

My memory fails me, what exactly was said in the episode that establishes that?

I was under the impression they werent assigned to the Valiant until quite a bit later, like right before the Dominion War broke out.
Yeah, the ep says they have been out there for eight months. (Five more than what they were supposed to be.)
 
You've got me. I don't remember the Captain or the other cadets ever saying or implying they were on the ship to get them away from Earth.
 
I was under the impression they werent assigned to the Valiant until quite a bit later, like right before the Dominion War broke out.
Red Squad disappeared in "PARADISE LOST" after Shepard was questioned by Sisko. Nog said he couldn't find them anywhere.

While it wasn't stated where they went in that episode, it IS possible they were on the Valiant at that time, just assigned at that time.

(In "VALIANT", Watters did say they were supposed to circumnavigate the entire Federation when war broke out. The Federation is huge... easily can take well over the year and a half between "PARADISE LOST" and "CALL TO ARMS", when the war actually started. Also, Shepard WAS in both episodes.)
 
Oh. We're talking about dialogue from Paradise Lost, not Valiant! Okay, now I'm on board. :)

Yeah, Leyton sends them off prior to him being caught. But it would be silly to think they are still off hidden somewhere due to orders he made before his downfall.

And as said in Valiant, they have only been on assignment for eight months.
Correction: Eight months since the captain died. The original assignment was three months, so it's eleven total at absolute maximum.
 
If I wanted to see a historical index of Star Trek, I'd read Memory Alpha. If I want to be entertained, I'll watch one of the shows.

Needs of the plot should always be the first duty. Canon can do what it needs to make it fit once the episode airs.
There's no plot whose general story can't be adapted to work within the rails of already existent canon.

At most a story might require a small bit of massaging so everything matches, but that's never really a particularly difficult thing to do so long as you know the rails your working within.


I was under the impression they werent assigned to the Valiant until quite a bit later, like right before the Dominion War broke out.
You have my apologies for misunderstanding your position.

My memory fails me, what was said in the episode that establishes that?
Paradise Lost.

NOG: Sorry I'm late.
SISKO: Where's Cadet Shepherd?
NOG: That's a good question. I couldn't find him anywhere.
ODO: What do you mean you couldn't find him?
NOG: I mean he's gone. And as far as I can tell so is every other member of Red Squad. The rumour is they've all been sent on some kind of training exercise.
LEYTON: I'm afraid Cadet Shepherd won't be returning to Earth any time soon.
NOG: Admiral Leyton, it's
LEYTON: Return to your quarters, Cadet.
 
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