Spoilers Star Trek: Starfleet Academy 1x05 – “Series Acclimation Mil”

[Set Harth]

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[eschaton]

I believe we were talking about skirts vs skants vs dresses. But the statement I made is true I believe. Was there was a male klingon that wore a pleated skirt before? If so let me know. Not sure what your point is here.

The issue of past depictions of Klingons doesn't matter, because it's been 800 years.

As a reminder, here's what men dressed in 800 years ago:

These would generally be seen as dresses today, albeit often worn with pants, hose, or something else beneath.

I don't know why Jay-Den is wearing a pleated skirt. Maybe it's non-traditional gender expression, but it also might just be the easiest way to approximate some form of (newly) traditional Klingon dress within the dress code of the Academy.

 

[TRON JA307020]

In that you claim to have no problem with representation but appear to have a problem with the representation of a male Klingon wearing a dress.

I never said once I had a problem with it. Not once. But beyond that how is a klingon wearing a skirt representation?

What, functionally and anesthetically speaking, is the difference between a skirt, skant and a kilt? And who's to say that what Jay-Den was wearing wasn't a skant rather than a skirt, which we've seen male Starfleet officers wearing and Boimler championing the return of? Boimler would approve of Jay-Den wearing a skant. The way these goal posts keep moving, one really does have to wonder exactly what game is being played.

A skant and a skirt are totally different styles and pieces of clothing. They are definitely not the same thing

 

[Set Harth]

if i spend all my money on skants and skirts will i be skint?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Fun fact for word-nerds. Skirt, shirt and short all derive from the Old Norse word "skyrta."

 

[Farscape One]

I hate to break it to you, but stuff like this is extremely small beer as production errors in Star Trek go.

What's mainly regrettable about the mistake in the Sisko family tree is that it opens up the possibility of some nerds in a future show making an episode to "explain" the error. May the koala preserve us.

Errors have happened throughout the franchise. I'm not disputing that.

But this episode, and that scene within it, was made essentially as a tribute to DS9 and Sisko. When doing such a thing, I would expect more care and double checking to occur to prevent so many errors in just a single graphic. As much as I wouldn't want it to be absent, I can buy Ben and Kasidy's baby not appearing... kept a secret, she had a miscarriage, etc. I maybe can even buy Sisko's sister and brothers not appearing on it because they were never shown, only mentioned.

But Kasidy's name spelled incorrectly? Sarah NOT being the 'non-corporeal being' (which was ALSO spelled incorrectly)? I mean, it's not like these are hard to research things. Sarah was an entire arc for Sisko in season 7. Kasidy's name is listed with the actress portraying her, Penny Johnson, in every episode she appeared, from "FAMILY BUSINESS" in season 3 all the way to the series finale. Couple these extremely obvious things with the other stuff that could possibly be explained just underscores how the whole thing seemed lazy. Like an AI generated answer.


There are things in the franchise people really care about. Benjamin Sisko is one of those aspects of the franchise I deeply care about. Is it really surprising that when such egregious errors of something that someone cares about pop up that they would take note and be irritated?

 

[Turtletrekker]

I never said once I had a problem with it. Not once. But beyond that how is a klingon wearing a skirt representation?

A skant and a skirt are totally different styles and pieces of clothing. They are definitely not the same thing

Please, oh Master Clothier, explain the practical and functional differences between a skirt and a skant? And all Jay-Den wearing a skant needs to represent is that he's his own person who makes his own choices and wears what he goddamn feels like. If the people around him judge him for what he wears, that speaks more on the people around him than it does on his choice of attire.

 

[tenmei]

Fun fact for word-nerds. Skirt, shirt and short all derive from the Old Norse word "skyrta."

Yeah, the Germanic form became skurtjon, and then skirt and shirt with the Angles and Saxons. Language and history is wonderful.

 

[Cap'n Calhoun]

The art department doesn’t operate in a vacuum. This is not a hard thing to get right.

To clarify, I'm not trying to dismiss the complaint entirely. They can and should do a better job on these details.

But I'm just hoping it didn't drop your review from, say, an 8 to a 5, because it's also not that big of a deal overall.

I think irritation is a more accurate term to describe what is being said than surprise. At least, in my case. It's why this is a 7.5 instead of an 8 to me.

Yeah, a 0.5 drop for messing this stuff up is pretty reasonable IMO.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Please, oh Master Clothier, explain the practical and functional differences between a skirt and a skant? And all Jay-Den wearing a skant needs to represent is that he's his own person who makes his own choices and wears what he goddamn feels like. If the people around him judge him for what he wears, that speaks more on the people around him than it does on his choice of attire.

First I don't care what he wears. More power to him to wear what he wants. Second he was wearing a skirt not a skant. Why do you keep saying skant. Do you have an issue with him wearing a skirt instead of a skant? If so why?

 

[Nerys Myk]

TOS would have been eviscerated for it's wrong department colors, rank mishaps and occasional graphics errors. ( What the heck is "romii"?????

 

[eschaton]

TBH, I kind of wish they went with the whole "in the future, everyone is wearing togas again" trope that we often saw in 1970s sci-fi. It would've been a nice way to visually distinguish the 32nd century from the more familiar eras.

That said, I understand why, for SA in particular, they went with such an anachronistic setting, right down to the letterman jackets.

 

[fireproof78]

But beyond that how is a klingon wearing a skirt representation?

Respecting individual choice.

 

[TRON JA307020]

TBH, I kind of wish they went with the whole "in the future, everyone is wearing togas again" trope that we often saw in 1970s sci-fi. It would've been a nice way to visually distinguish the 32nd century from the more familiar eras.

That said, I understand why, for SA in particular, they went with such an anachronistic setting, right down to the letterman jackets.

The Letterman jackets are a huge problem.

 

[137th Gebirg]

What the heck is "romii"?????

I always wondered about that one myself. Is it pronounced "Rom-eye" like some kind of plural conjugation (if that's even the right word for it - declension?) or is it "Rom-2"? Both are Roman/Latin in origin, IIRC, so both might be technically correct, considering the original writers wanted them to be space-Romans. Did that thing eventually become "Remus"?

 

[FredH]

TBH, I kind of wish they went with the whole "in the future, everyone is wearing togas again" trope that we often saw in 1970s sci-fi.

Only if they’re glowing. And instantly convertible at a word to any other garment desired. (Internal air-conditioning and “shower & dryer on the inside” functions wouldn’t hurt either.)

 

[eschaton]

The Letterman jackets are a huge problem.

Every single instance of Trek post TOS has been a tension between wanting to provide something familiar for the audience and realistic worldbuilding.

Consider Voyager, for example. The series bible had a decent setup. There was an avenue for personal conflict between the Maquis and Starfleet characters, which could've taken seasons to resolve. The ship was isolated in another quadrant, which provided the possibility for lots of new stories built on resource scarcity. And an entirely unexplored quadrant meant they could focus on all new alien races.

All of these were squandered, because the network was more interested in trying to turn the series into a watered-down TNG in hopes of getting back the TNG audience. So the Starfleet-Maquis conflict is over after the pilot. The ship is always bright and shiny and things seldom break down. And although there were a fair amount of new alien races, the show became reliant to a large degree on the Borg and holodeck episodes, and found excuses more than once to include more familiar races like the Klingons, Romulans, etc.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

Leaving this here for no reason at all

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[TRON JA307020]

Every single instance of Trek post TOS has been a tension between wanting to provide something familiar for the audience and realistic worldbuilding.

Consider Voyager, for example. The series bible had a decent setup. There was an avenue for personal conflict between the Maquis and Starfleet characters, which could've taken seasons to resolve. The ship was isolated in another quadrant, which provided the possibility for lots of new stories built on resource scarcity. And an entirely unexplored quadrant meant they could focus on all new alien races.

All of these were squandered, because the network was more interested in trying to turn the series into a watered-down TNG in hopes of getting back the TNG audience. So the Starfleet-Maquis conflict is over after the pilot. The ship is always bright and shiny and things seldom break down. And although there were a fair amount of new alien races, the show became reliant to a large degree on the Borg and holodeck episodes, and found excuses more than once to include more familiar races like the Klingons, Romulans, etc.

But Letterman jackets that look exactly like 20th/21st century Letterman jacket 1100 years from now?

 

[Tuskin38]

But Letterman jackets that look exactly like 20th/21st century Letterman jacket 1100 years from now?

Some traditions never die.

Or maybe a previous chancellor in the intervening years brought the style back.