Spoilers Starfleet Academy General Discussion Thread

[TRON JA307020]

The Discovery writers had to blow up pretty much everything in the galaxy to make it so Discovery was still relevant.

The Discovery writers had to create an idiotic "timetravel ban" to make it so the future couldn't just send Discovery back.

The Discovery Writers were regularly having to ignore technology that widely existed 700 years in the past because it would have gotten in the way of what they wanted Discovery to do.

Quite right Fateor. Other technology strangeness.

When Burnham got to the future the 23rd century Starfleet tech was on the market as collectibles. Yeah right 1000 year old tech is all the rage Lol. Also starfleet still hasnt replaced warp drive and discoverys spore drive is far better than 32nd century warp drive tech. In near 1000 years they havent come up with something better. Geordi's in the 24th century was excited for warp drive potentially being replaced by n the soliton wave. So even in the 24th century they were looking into better tech but 800 years later they're still stuck with warp drive and dilithium crystals while a 23rd century vessel has the spore drive tech which has virtually instantaneous travel and makes 32nd cebtury travel look ancient. Just bad writing all around. Lol

 

[cooleddie74]

All of Star Trek is a potential plot hole.

 

[Firebird]

The Discovery writers had to blow up pretty much everything in the galaxy to make it so Discovery was still relevant.

The Discovery writers had to create an idiotic "timetravel ban" to make it so the future couldn't just send Discovery back.

The Discovery Writers were regularly having to ignore technology that widely existed 700 years in the past because it would have gotten in the way of what they wanted Discovery to do.

See? Doesn't matter what century the show went to, you'd complain about it anyway.

 

[Farscape One]

Considering the 25th-31st centuries were VERY largely unexplored, there really was no reason to move DISCO to, say, the mid-late 25th century. By that point, a vast majority of the legacy characters of the 24th century would have died out so there would be minimal to zero chance of any canon issues, and you still could look more advanced, visually.

They could even have done The Burn (but definitely NOT the stupid reason for it), and with it still being pretty fresh after a decade or so, I can believe no reliable tech outside warp drive is used because they would still be researching ways to have reliable FTL other than warp.

But after over a century, and nothing? That did suspend disbelief.

It was, among a multitude of other reasons, why DISCO just didn't work. And a vast majority of those reasons came down to the writers. They seemed to be rather creatively bankrupt.

Hell, just start off DISCO in the mid 25th century... about 80 years past TNG. TNG did that being so far past TOS, and it allowed itself to stand on its own. DISCO would have avoided a vast majority of the visual complaints had they gone that route.

 

[TRON JA307020]

All of Star Trek is a potential plot hole.

Come on. These later series have broken the mold on plot holes and canon. Storyline that make no sense canonically and a future that makes little sense to the franchise especially in the tech.


Another problem.
1000 years after Kirk people are worshipping mostly starfleet officers from the TOS and TNG Berman era shows. Most names on that wall are from previous shows. What about all the later centuries? What about heroes just before the burn. We have another 7 centuries to look at but the academy and cadets are going to be stuck on only one period it seens. Sorry but the kurtzman era of shows are plagued by poor writing. These shows cant even compare to TOS a 60 year old show. Not even close. The writing is atrocious.

 

[Firebird]

But after over a century, and nothing? That did suspend disbelief.

The show addressed this, and it was a major plotline. The dissolution of the Federation and the deteriorating political situation put a stop to major research into warp drive alternatives. Societies fell inward rather than outward.

Not that hard to believe.

 

[Farscape One]

The show addressed this, and it was a major plotline. The dissolution of the Federation and the deteriorating political situation put a stop to major research into warp drive alternatives. Societies fell inward rather than outward.

Not that hard to believe.

And not one of them would have been focusing on FTL travel outside warp and found something to use?

For some people, that IS hard to believe.

 

[Tuskin38]

For some people, that IS hard to believe.

Too focused on making sure their societies didn't collapse. Makes sense.

 

[I am not Spock]

it's all just numbers really. Doesn't matter if Trek takes place in 22nd , 23rd, 24th, 25th, or 32nd century.

 

[cooleddie74]

Execution-wise there certainly wasn't much difference between 22nd century photonic torpedoes, phase pistols, grapplers and polarized hull plating and 24th century quantum torpedoes, phasers, tractor beams and shields.

 

[Firebird]

Too focused on making sure their societies didn't collapse. Makes sense.

Exactly this. The survivors of the Burn had bigger worries on their minds.

Discovery had a considerable share of writing problems, but portraying a galaxy torn apart by a hugely devastating event wasn't one of them.

 

[Farscape One]

Exactly this. The survivors of the Burn had bigger worries on their minds.

Discovery had a considerable share of writing problems, but portraying a galaxy torn apart by a hugely devastating event wasn't one of them.

And one of those big worries would be getting more/having access to resources, particularly if a world was dependent on resources, trade, and material from outside their world or system.

 

[Nerys Myk]

The Discovery writers had to blow up pretty much everything in the galaxy to make it so Discovery was still relevant.

The Discovery writers had to create an idiotic "timetravel ban" to make it so the future couldn't just send Discovery back.

The Discovery Writers were regularly having to ignore technology that widely existed 700 years in the past because it would have gotten in the way of what they wanted Discovery to do.

Still no.

 

[Firebird]

And one of those big worries would be getting more/having access to resources, particularly if a world was dependent on resources, trade, and material from outside their world or system.

That sounds like a vicious cycle. They have no resources of their own, but have no warp drive to go to get anything they need, but don't have the resources they need to build or research another warp drive. There's probably many such stories like that across the remnants of the Federation, but the show doesn't have the episode space to tell every one of those stories.

 

[Rahul]

And not one of them would have been focusing on FTL travel outside warp and found something to use?

For some people, that IS hard to believe.

I mean they had to ignore all the already existing alternatives, from VOYs Slipstream drive, to the Xindi subspace drive, the Borg Transwarp drive, to Sisko's fucking sailing ship.
Nobody in a 1000 years was ever able to recreate Discovery's own mushroom drive?? I mean even Starfleet built at least two of these ships.

Shit the Romulans don't even use warp drives but their Artificial quantum singularity reactor, so they shouldn't have been affected by the burn at all.

Also - completely banning time travel is stupid. There is always someone breaking the law, so you'd need an enforcement agency (aka "time police") - and the first thing they would do is yank the Discovery back to their time!

Overall the worldbuilding for the 32nd century is just utter shit & will be retconned away anyway after SFA has ended.

 

[Michael]

Overall the worldbuilding for the 32nd century is just utter shit & will be retconned away anyway after SFA has ended.

Huh? What do you know that we’re not knowing? What’s your evidence for it being retconned after Starfleet Academy?

 

[TRON JA307020]

The show addressed this, and it was a major plotline. The dissolution of the Federation and the deteriorating political situation put a stop to major research into warp drive alternatives. Societies fell inward rather than outward.

Not that hard to believe.

The burn happened 150 years before. What about the earlier 650 years? Other species have had travel far superior to the federation such as the borg. In tos they met species that could travel much faster. The enterprise engines were even modified to go much faster by the Kelvans in the episode By Any Other Name. People estimate the Kelvan tech got the Enterprise to warp 11. Scotty had mentioned that the kelvans had warp engines the size of walnuts. Voyager even came across a species that had advanced transporter tech that could transport people or ships thousands of light years in seconds. Belanna even tried the tech on voyager. So you would think starfleet would have come up with something better in 600 years after tng to replace warp drive. But yet Burnham showed off the spore drive to show the 32nd century snobs just how advanced the discovery was to 32nd cebtury warp drive. Lol

So yeah its hard to believe. Hard to believe that starfleet didnt come up with a solution in 150 years. Lol

 

[Firebird]

So yeah its hard to believe.

Still no.

 

[Turtletrekker]

The spore drive depended upon a species that was extinct in the 32nd century, probably a lot earlier than that, to work.

 

[cooleddie74]

Star Trek does a lot of patently ridiculous and laughable things, but spore drives and The Burn being at or near the top of that long list? Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.