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Just caught this clearer version of that pic of Pike and April wearing the Cage version uniforms:

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Pike's peak has an uncanny valley feel to it...

This is the uniform they should have gone with.
 
Sorry, but the Picard/Crusher kid and the Borg/Changeling team up both screamed of bad fanfic. There were some very good moments in Picard season 3 and while overburdened with fanwank, it was entertaining in some places. That’s an opinion. You can disagree with it all you want but you can’t take my right to have it, nor can you say it’s “wrong.”
Picard and later seasons of Discovery are absolutely full of stuff borrowed from or to please popular fanfiction fans. Other things too though like books and video games. So essentially anything from the deeper sections of Trek forums where the majority of fans (including me) would not be familiar with.
 
And karaoke deserves respect?


Yeah, no. Fans can be appreciated for their passion, for their knowledge and detail oriented obsessiveness. But, does fiction deserve respect? No, anymore than karaoke does all by itself.

Not sure I see the difference between respect and appreciation. Respect can be respecting the passion. Also I got to say I also respect the fact that people aren't afraid in karaoke to sing in front of other people. Kind of the same with fan fiction. Your putting something out their that invites judgment and you got to know logically that lots of that judgment is going to be people thinking you suck at what you do. As someone who is shy I find lots of admiration in that.
 
Not sure I see the difference between respect and appreciation. Respect can be respecting the passion. Also I got to say I also respect the fact that people aren't afraid in karaoke to sing in front of other people. Kind of the same with fan fiction. Your putting something out their that invites judgment and you got to know logically that lots of that judgment is going to be people thinking you suck at what you do. As someone who is shy I find lots of admiration in that.
I see a difference between respect and appreciation. But, whole categories of art don't automatically require my respect. They simply exist.

Fan fiction can be well done; my wife has written hers for like 5 years now. But I've written some horrible fan fiction. One effort I would respect while another I could appreciate the passion if not the output of the other.
 
I see a difference between respect and appreciation. But, whole categories of art don't automatically require my respect. They simply exist.

Fan fiction can be well done; my wife has written hers for like 5 years now. But I've written some horrible fan fiction. One effort I would respect while another I could appreciate the passion if not the output of the other.

I see it less as respecting the art and more about respecting the people who make it. Look at Ed Wood. He wasn't very talented but I respect that the guy wanted to make movies and did make movies and was living the dream, sort of.
 
I see it less as respecting the art and more about respecting the people who make it. Look at Ed Wood. He wasn't very talented but I respect that the guy wanted to make movies and did make movies and was living the dream, sort of.
I can agree with that. But the statement made was "fanfiction deserves respect." I disagree; authors can have respect. Art categories alone do not.

Perhaps a distinction without a difference but that was why I responded as I did.
 
Series finale--Pike's final mission is so disastrous that Robert April disavows all knowledge of it, gets demoted to Commodore anyway, April's entire Starfleet record since 2250 is purged and he's said to be an "Ambassador at Large" since that time. Section 31 also casually remarks, "This scandal is so bad we might even have to change April's appearance". (The Section 31 goon then winks at the camera and a banner ad for Star Trek: The Animated series scrolls at the bottom)

Section 31 head: What about Pike? He also knows too much.

Section 31 goon: He won't talk. We'll arrange an unfortunate accident for him during a cadet inspection tour in the future.
 
I can agree with that. But the statement made was "fanfiction deserves respect." I disagree; authors can have respect. Art categories alone do not.

Perhaps a distinction without a difference but that was why I responded as I did.
Does that not infer an inability to separate art from artist? There are many respected works of art where the artist has been entirely disavowed. The entire genre of lovecraftian fiction for example. A respected art category but not a respected author.
 
Does that not infer an inability to separate art from artist? There are many respected works of art where the artist has been entirely disavowed. The entire genre of lovecraftian fiction for example. A respected art category but not a respected author.
For me, no. Simply saying a category deserves respect is a nonstarter for me. Show me the work and I'll remark on it or not.
 
Fans taking it upon themselves to create something and submit it out into the world for all to see is something worthy of respect. It takes courage to open yourself up like that.
That's fans though. That's not a category of art but people.
Ah so what you're saying is a work of fanfiction can be respected but respect should not be applied to it simply because it is a work of fanfiction?
Yes, in essence. And, respect for me is far more reserved for people than necessarily works.
 
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