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Not as ancient as the original show that started the Franchise we are all intently discussing here...
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TNG's even older than all those shows. Hell, with the exception of 90210, DS9's older than them as well.Not as ancient as the original show that started the Franchise we are all intently discussing here...
For that matter, if The OC is considered "ancient history" than I guess so is Star Trek's entire "Legacy era" as that show premiered while Enterprise was in its third season.
You ain't sorry bro. But at least you know it mostly stunk this last season. Good day sir...
You ain't sorry bro. But at least you know it mostly stunk this last season. Good day sir...
Nah, I enjoyed the last season. I had fun with it. I didn't stink IN MY OPINION. See, it's not that hard.
Nah, I enjoyed the last season. I had fun with it. I didn't stink IN MY OPINION. See, it's not that hard.
It didn't stink, IMHO. The only ep I really disliked was 4.5 Vulcans. That & the B plot of Serene Squall are the only parts of the series I thought were poor.
Now it certainly was a step down from previous seasons. There wasn't really a "Momento Mori," or "Ad Astra Per Aspera," "Those Old Scientists," or "Hegemony" level classic at the top. Nor a were there lots of very good/near classic episodes around it: "A Quality of Mercy," "All Those Who Wander," "Spock Amok," "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow," "Charades," "Lift Us Where Suffering Cannot Reach," or "Under the Cloak of War" level stuff.
IMHO, "The Sehlat Who Ate Its Tail" was best in show. "Through the Lens of Time" was very good. I thought "Space Adventure Hour" was fantastic. But itcwas decidedly "meh" outside of those 3.
"Hegemony II" was good, but not nearly as good as I.
The end of "What is Starfleet?" and everything but the end of "Terrarium" were both good.
I put everything else as kind of 'meh' for one reason or another. Other than 4.5 Vulcans, which I thought DID suck.
"30 good ones?" That would break down to only half of Season 1 being good, half of Season 2 being good, and maybe a token episode or two of Season 3 being good. That would get you to 30...
... and I don't agree with it.
OTOH, you could say most of Season 1 is good, a little of Season 2 is good, and none of Season 3 is good...
... and I don't agree with that one either. I like Season 1 and 2 almost equally, and I think the bad episodes were the exception, not the rule. Season 3, I like enough of them. The bad episodes in Season 3 just stand out more because they're notorious.
So, I can't agree with Futurama's take. Which was one person's opinion and meant to be tongue-and-cheek. It was a line, it sounded funny, people had a laugh, and (most of) everyone moved on. Unless the writer actually went out of their way to actually count how many episodes they liked, I take it with a grain of salt.
If less than half of TOS was good, it wouldn't have acquired and sustained a large enough audience during the 1970s that fans would want it back and Paramount wouldn't have bothered with so many false starts before finally getting to TMP.
The exact number depends on a person and their tastes, but I can only think of maybe 10 episodes across all three seasons that I didn't care for. The rest, not all of them were excellent, but they were some level of good.
A lot of you think TOS is your favorite, but then you'll say, "only 30 good ones." And that's your favorite Star Trek series? Really? What then do you think of how many good episodes there are in any of the other series?
This.I can't even think of 14 that I don't like....so it may be more than 65...
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As far as SFA, like I said, I thought the exclusive clip was okay. SFA probably won't be my favorite Star Trek series, but I think I might like it well enough. I'm going to think of it as kind of like "Discovery without Discovery". We'll see.
I'd say 60, 61 or 62 of the 80 are good or downright great. Roughly eighteen, nineteen or twenty are "meh" and watchable but nothing terribly exciting or just plain mediocre or lousy.
Now you're getting it!
My scaling is always off but good for me is an episode that stands out for something. It hooks differently.
Most episodes are average. That's how statistics work. It's doing its job and is entertaining.
Fewer are exceptional. Fewer are ones I avoid or wouldn't recommend.
I guess this is why numeric scaling is preferred by others but a good episode is something different for me.
Most episodes are average. That's how statistics work. It's doing its job and is entertaining.
Fewer are exceptional. Fewer are ones I avoid or wouldn't recommend.
I guess this is why numeric scaling is preferred by others but a good episode is something different for me.
Less than that percentage wise.
Well, I've always maintained that even "bad" Star Trek is better than most of the crap out there.
The way the "30 good episodes of TOS" thing works out is - there are 30 great episodes of TOS. Most of Season One are good-to-great, which gets you to the mid-20s. Season 2 has between 4 and 6 great episodes...and that's all she wrote.
Later Trek series took seven seasons of twenty-plus episodes to get into the neighborhood of twenty-odd great ones. Some never managed it. STD produced...two, and the remainder were pretty bad.
Later Trek series took seven seasons of twenty-plus episodes to get into the neighborhood of twenty-odd great ones. Some never managed it. STD produced...two, and the remainder were pretty bad.
Yes we know. Old news.
Because TOS was weirdly experimental. When it worked, it really worked. Which I’d say 30-40 episodes really worked. Which is a pretty good percentage.
When it didn’t work, it didn’t. Though Shatner, Nimoy and Kelly made it watchable.
What percentage of episodes does one need to think are great to be a fan?
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