Space Adventure Hour? Since none of the characters in the holo were the SNW characters how can they be out of character?
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Primarily Spock and La'an at the beginning and the end. Spock finding the sensuality of the dance and an attractive woman to be irresistible while he's engaged and two episodes after declaring his love for Chapel was wildly out of character for me. La'an just commented on him being in love with Chapel two episodes ago. I appreciate that a month is meant to have gone by but that should be nothing for a Vulcan who feels love as deeply as he told Uhura he did in Season 2. He spent 1.5 years developing a friendship with Chapel and six months trying to avoid her because he knew he was developing feelings which were inappropriate for an engaged man. Taking a break doesn't make him a free man and jumping into bed with an attractive woman should be easy for me. The whole romance was just so bizarre and out of character. It didn't help that it featured so much dancing which felt even more out of character for Spock. I think that this would have played so much better if they were friends. Two romances and one love triangle was enough, adding to it was crazy.
I agree that the holodeck characters were clearly supposed to be out of character so issues there as such. I didn't find them funny though and the murder mystery was confusing, boring and identical to Elementary Dear Data for me. The in jokes seemed to come at the cost of a funny story. I loved Bride of Chaotica from Voyager so that would be the model of a funny Holodeck episode for me. They were out of character there but in an intentionally melodramatic way that gave a lot of room for humour. Kate Mulgrew knocked that one out of the park.
I appreciate that others liked this episode, it was just my most hated of the season. I also found the timing odd as they had just rushed the flower to Batel to save her life...and we don't even hear about it in this episode.
I like Christina Chong and Ethan Peck so no disrespect intended. I would prefer to see La'an leading Star Fleet's fight against the Gorn and overcoming her fears about herself in doing so. If the writers want to give her a romance, continue with the season 2 buildup and give her something with Kirk - he loves casual
I think they set up Una and Spock or Pike and Spock more than this. Una and Spock actually had quite a vibe in the short treks. I though that they might go there. Maybe La'an and M'Benga with the eye thing and shared war trauma. I can only remember a meld between Spock and La'an which didn't strike me as anything difference than others. La'an and Kirk established a good connection from the start of Season 2. I wonder why they introduced Carol and David. They didn't have to have Kirk know and it would have made it easier for La'an and Kirk which they set up carefully in season 2. I think that this is the first Trek that dedicated over a season to setting up relationships and had the characters be together and then switched it around. There are hints of relationships like Tom and Kes and Archer and T'Pol and Work and Troi but I don't remember anything evolving and then being dumped (might have forgotton). La'an and Spock would have been fine if La'an had essentially had Chapel's arc with Spock and was the follow up to T'Pring. Spock doesn't have as many interests in common with La'an compared to Chapel so the breakup might have felt more natural and less sad with PTSD and Boimler. It's because he's engaged and was invested with Chapel that it feels jarring.
No, the shuttle mission where they mind-melded was good foreshadowing.
Spock comes across as so young that I think of SNW as his undergraduate college career. Party hard.
If they hadn't we'd have people whining "why aren't they acknowledging Carol and David? Dialogue in TWOK clearly states that..." I mean, as it is, we have people getting uppity that Spock's relationship with Leila Kalomi needs to be addressed soon, and she's somewhat obscure, at least when compared to Carol and David Marcus.
Bah? Worf and Troi's building relationship was a running arc throughout TNG's final season, with them finally going on a date in AGT. Granted, their romance did seem to disappear immediately thereafter, given Worf quickly began developing a relationship with Dax when he moved over to DS9, but "Worfanna" was acknowledged in Picard's third season.
Tom and Kes did get together and have a daughter in an alternate timeline as seen in the episode Before and After.
No, the shuttle mission where they mind-melded was good foreshadowing.
Spock comes across as so young that I think of SNW as his undergraduate college career. Party hard.
It's interesting that they actually hadn't planned it then so I guess it just happened that way. Have you seen Short Treks with Spock and Una in the Turbolift? There's definitely a vibe. Spock and party hearty don't align for me
Spock and deep feelings align much better. You said before that you think he's still focused on Christine. I hope so and that they show this as I think it works better. I could be more onboard with Spock as an angsty college student rather than a partier - that should be Kirk's speciality!I must remember TWOK wrong. I thought that Kirk asked 'why didn't you tell me.' I just rewatched the clip and it might be 'why didn't you tell him'? I see then that he probably knew about David but just to stay away either from pregnancy or early years. Makes sense then that SNW did this. Carol's apparently going to be in Season 4 so I suppose we'll see her and Kirk break up. Maybe La'an will get her shot at the excitement she wants after all? Kirk does seem like the type to put relationships past him pretty fast.
Yeah there was a bit of build up to Worf and Troi but it certainly wasn't a relationship like Spock and Chapel were. It was mostly a small mention across only two three episodes until the final if I recall? Spock and Chapel were quite a significant focus of the first two seasons and were a more formal couple - Spock wanted to inform Star Fleet and get it official (although he was engaged so how on earth would that work? Would T'Pring find out?) There first date was AGT so they didn't build up a relationship to have it go nowhere.
Tom and Kes did have that episode but that was the only way they had anything. I don't believe that they ever dated in the normal timeline or were nothing close to an established relationship. That episode got a bit weird when Harry married their daughter but I also thought that prepubescent Kes dating anymore was creepy.
Maybe the next most 'serious' couple that didn't work out was the Doctor and Seven. He tried to date and was hopeful across multiple seasons. That went nowhere and then she connected with Chakotay. Picard and Crusher were established to have had a relationship that didn't work in Picard but that was in retrospect. Overall, I think that Spock and Chapel are the most serious we've seen that then ended abruptly. If they drag out Spock and La'an for another season then she'll probably be the next most serious.
spock mind melded with khan's relative in season 1 but in TOS he never heard the name Khan. that seem less forgiving than his mind meld with kirk in season 3 that people including that yahoo critic was calling out.No, the shuttle mission where they mind-melded was good foreshadowing.
Spock comes across as so young that I think of SNW as his undergraduate college career. Party hard.
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''Spock mind-melds with Kirk for the first time, for no good reason''.
I guess they didn't actually watch the episode.spock mind melded with khan's relative in season 1 but in TOS he never heard the name Khan. that seem less forgiving than his mind meld with kirk in season 3 that people including that yahoo critic was calling out.
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the quote from the article is
''Spock mind-melds with Kirk for the first time, for no good reason''.
Except that there was a reason. Both ships needed to be perfectly in sync with one another.spock mind melded with khan's relative in season 1 but in TOS he never heard the name Khan. that seem less forgiving than his mind meld with kirk in season 3 that people including that yahoo critic was calling out.
Strange New Worlds Turns Star Trek Into Doctor Who, Destroys Entire Franchise For Its Season 3 Finale
When Gene Roddenberry created Star Trek, his goal was to depict a bright and hopeful future in which humans had learned to use science, reason, and common sense to work together and explore the universe. In its season three finale, Star Trek: Strange New Worlds managed to undo all that and has...
the quote from the article is
''Spock mind-melds with Kirk for the first time, for no good reason''.
I’m gathering neither you nor the author of that article bothered watching, huh?
Hardly "small mentions." It was a central plot point in episode such as Parallels and Eye of the Beholder.
They haven't? They are able to look at the historical records easy enough. "Khan, nothing else" is a rather nonstarter for a historical search.
I think that Spock and Kirk did know who Kahn was as a historical figure. They just didn't realise that the man they had was the Kahn NS.
Reasonable. Not like La'an met him as an adult.
spock and laan should now carry weight, something drastic must happen so we can remember this pair with more favourable reviews.
if spock got it wrong with tping and he got it wrong with chapel
they can do the whole third time may have been the charm with laan but something happens that splits them up.
I have seen some on reddit say Chapel is the high school girl friend so they need to treat laan like the college girl friend and yeah that will mean maturity, it will be nice to see spock in a mature relationship again in terms of story telling, the last time we saw him in one was in star trek beyond 2016
Having a casual relationship while he's engaged has already created a maturity problem. If they wanted that, they likely would have addressed the T'Pring situation differently. She obviously wants Spock to be more Vulcan but she's been understanding, tolerant and really tried. She is not a villain and Spock did not treat her well. Evidently Spock will find her acceptable enough to return to as I don't think he's reflecting that he got it totally wrong with her.
I don't think that drastic weight is where they're heading with this relationship. Everything that the actors, showrunners and cast have said so far has indicated the opposite. Whether it's casual, friends with benefits or a rebound, they seem to be helping each other feel good for a while. Maybe the writers will pull a blinder but that's not the commentary to date.
That's never a strong way to start a sentence.
Yes. Reddit, like Facebook, is filled with the biggest idiots on the planet.
Spock is obviously rebounding from Chapel and La'An from Kirk.
You could see it coming from Wedding Bell Blues.
Count me as one who loved "Space Adventure Hour." One of the highpoints of S3 for me.
You could see it coming from Wedding Bell Blues.
Count me as one who loved "Space Adventure Hour." One of the highpoints of S3 for me.
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