It it? A handful at best
Science and Sci-Fi is a secondary aspect of the show. It's actually more about ideas and relationships (romantic and otherwise)
Why wouldn't someone be?
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Yeah.
Why would they do any of that? The people watching SNW don’t care about the KT. It has nothing to do with SNW.
This. The franchise has been character-focused since Michael Piller first came on to TNG 35 years ago.
This is two sentences that have sort of collided to produce something that isn't a sentence.
No.
Romance is one place that needs specific guide rails in fiction or it struggles. Star Trek is no exception and I rarely go to Trek for romance. SNW is not better, or worse, than last Treks in this regard.
Yes.
Since Trek characters are not actually humans but gods superior to humans in all facets.
The overall number is definitely fine
Dating two of those women while you're engaging is a problem. Moving directly between those women in an unbroken chain while not pausing to reflect on being engaged - really not fine.It's very out of character behaviour for Spock. If, as they went out of their way to tell us, he loved Christine and feels emotions very deeply then he isn't going to be over her a few weeks later. He isn't going to be overwhelmed with the sensuality of dancing and how hot a woman looks - certainly not while he's still in love (or was in low - who knows) with Chapel a few weeks ago. I would have been more okay with this if they'd clearly established La'an was a rebound because he didn't know how to deal with his emotions about Christine. It still would have been low behaviour from an engaged man but at least it would have made sense in the context of his feelings for Chapel and his immaturity with his feelings. Perhaps they do intend this to be a rebound, I honestly don't know. What do others think? There seems to be a mix of feelings from fans and reviewers but the shown runners haven't clearly established it as a rebound. They seem to care about each other but not be in love or want any form of commitment with La'an realising in Ep 8 that Spock is not exciting enough for her.
I wouldn't have liked this behaviour from Kirk but it would have aligned with what we know about Kirk so I would have been more okay with it. This is not Spock!
Spock has to grow to become Spock.
Spock in "Where No Man Has Gone Before(TOS)," "The Corbomite Maneuver(TOS)" and "Mudd's Women(TOS)" was still a little ways from becoming the Spock we associate with the first series.
Yes but there are core parts of who he is. In season 2 they established that he avoided Chapel for 6 months because he knew his growing feelings were inappropriate. Season 3 Spock is very different and seems to have forgotten his finacee and the fact that he felt love very deeply. Moving on to a new woman two episodes later is inconsistent with his characterisation.
Maybe more the point, why did they do this with La'an. They built up the Chapel relationship and dumped it out of the airlock only to put him back into another relationship and hype up the sex component. They had one triangle and have already dedicated a season and a half to his relationship. There is so little to gain here and a lot to loose. Ethan Peck and Christina Chong were shocked about the romance (and tried as nicely as possible to indicate that they thought it worked 'on paper'). A clear sign that even the actors aren't thrilled.
What are they losing?
Romances don't work out in real life. Spock reminds me a bit of friends on college and the military in terms of romance and struggles.
This season has received the first real negative reviews and has very widely been seen as a drop in quality. There's still a lot of positivity left from earlier seasons but this season was criticised. Even the showrunners have acknowledged that there were problems. Most reviewers have put at least a fair amount of the blame on the endless romances and have highlighted Spock in particular as becoming ridiculous. Even ardent fans like Trek Culture have expressed their real dislike with the out of character and melodramatic focus on Spock's romance.
I think it's fair to say that the way they've handled romance and Spock's in particular has attracted significant and widespread criticism. People who didn't like the romance at all in Season 1 and 2 aren't going to like this focus. People who like T'Pring and Spock or Chapel and Spock as a couple aren't going to like this. They haven't left themselves a lot of room to succeed with.
If they want Year One then they need Season 4 to work and be very successful. Season 4 is in the can which is a concern. If they have the same focus and they want the season to be perceived more positively then they need to think about what to cut, edit or alter with a voice over.
Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean by what are they losing. I think that they're disconnected with the Spock from Season 1 and 2 who had the maturity to get engaged and put in effort to stay committed. If they wanted T'Pring and Chapel to be meaningful and impact his future because he felt deeply then he needed to feel and reflect on those relationships. Quiet background reflection and a bit of tension between him and Chapel would have served this much better than casual sex.
I think that the writers have changed in Season 3 following the strike as there is a very different tone for the show as a whole. They seem to have a different vision for Spock, Pike, La'an and Chapel. I'm disappointed that we've moved from smart, vibrant people having meaningful relationships to people defined by nowheresville relationships or casual encounters.
I want them to pick back up the Spock, Pike, Chapel and La'an of Season 1 and 2. Hopefully they'll reconsider their direction in Season 4 and 5. Or we'll get Spock having more casual encounters with Leila
Roddenberry's vision.
Well ...I took it from your post so...
Sorry, that's my fault. You're right that I used those words. I apologise.
Loosing friendships because they've been replaced by endless relationships (Spock and La'an, Spock and Chapel, Chapel and Korby, Pike and Batel, Uhura and Bento, Una and Doug ....), losing carefully constructed relationships like they had in Season 1 and 2, loosing the connection with Season 1 and 2. Losing exciting stories most of all.
I guess we shall see.
Of my complaints with SNW Season 3, romances are down my list. And I am no fan of most Trek romances.
That's interesting. What were your major concerns? The writing was very loose and there were a lot of gimmicks. The final episode was really weird. It was magic fate. It was so straight out of Doctor Who that I genuinely expected to see Russel T Davis's name on the episode.
If it was just loose writing then this season would have been okay but not good for me. The poor character arcs meant that it dropped to outright bad. I stopped watching 4.5 Vulcans and the finale which I've only ever done before with Discovery.
I've been pretty meh about most trek romances. B'Lana and Tom had a nice maturity. Trip and T'Pol had a lot of angst but I actually did like that romance until Season 4 where it just dragged. Archer and T'Pol made me very uncomfortable as it boarded or sexual harassment and the actress was noticeably uncomfortable. Odo and Kira and Picard and Crusher I disliked but it didn't really bother me. Most of the other romances I've vaguely disliked or just not cared.
I loved both T'Pring and Spock and Chapel and Spock. La'an and Kirk and Pike and Batel were fine. It's just been season 3 where it really bothered me. It's largely ruined the season for me because it felt so disconnected. It's like taking Tom and B'Lana after they went through it all then saying actually B'Lana's a bit of a player and is with Chakotay now. It would have undermined all the work they did earlier. Not good!
Scotty and Kirk. They felt very unnecessary.
I mean, I've given up Trek multiple times so it's hardly a loss to me. Definitely not as bad as Voyager or Enterprise.
Only Tom and B'Elanna were somewhat ok. It definitely started out stupid but manage to improve and mature a bit. The rest were odd pairings to me, especially with a captain.
no offence but I feel at this point a lot here are just grasping for straws.
the cat is out of the bag, the genie is out of the bottle, season 3 has been critically panned all across the board. The RT Audience scores is still dropping every day.
the creators have tried to blame it on the writers strikes but one of the most critically panned aspect of the show is the lousy CW romances that took prominent over the sci fi.
this is a feat no trek series has ever achieved not even star trek enterprise that came from the classic trek era.
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