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Strange New Worlds disappointment

He accepted his fate at the end of Season 1.
And he just doesn't think about it at all after that? He doesn't have a weak moment where he thinks about how to get out of it again? When he is being romantic with Batel and building a relationship and a future, he doesn't have one consideration about what he would be locking her into if it gets that far? No one just accepts they have a ticking clock and lives as if they didn;t.
 
And he just doesn't think about it at all after that? He doesn't have a weak moment where he thinks about how to get out of it again? When he is being romantic with Batel and building a relationship and a future, he doesn't have one consideration about what he would be locking her into if it gets that far? No one just accepts they have a ticking clock and lives as if they didn;t.
He knows the consequences if he doesn't.
 
And he just doesn't think about it at all after that? He doesn't have a weak moment where he thinks about how to get out of it again? When he is being romantic with Batel and building a relationship and a future, he doesn't have one consideration about what he would be locking her into if it gets that far? No one just accepts they have a ticking clock and lives as if they didn;t.
There are people who learn they have serious health afflictions like ALS or whatever that though there is a time they can continue normally, it will eventually result in drastic changes to their lives and eventually in death that learn to make peace with this and move on. Pike is like those people.
 
And he just doesn't think about it at all after that? He doesn't have a weak moment where he thinks about how to get out of it again? When he is being romantic with Batel and building a relationship and a future, he doesn't have one consideration about what he would be locking her into if it gets that far? No one just accepts they have a ticking clock and lives as if they didn;t.
Sure he still thinks about it; but he's accepted his fate and yes, I think Anson Mount has played the character as if it still affects him in certain scenes - but that effect doesn't rise to the level it did in SNW S1 A Quality Of Mercy - where he was visibly shaken in public, excused himself, and walked into the ship's corridors.
 
There are people who learn they have serious health afflictions like ALS or whatever that though there is a time they can continue normally, it will eventually result in drastic changes to their lives and eventually in death that learn to make peace with this and move on. Pike is like those people.
Exactly.

The point of all drama is not to live inside one character's head while they ponder their existential plights - although that's a perfectly legitimate and indeed the raison d'etre of some great storytelling.

Original Recipe Star Trek was a TV drama built on an action-adventure format. SNW leans into that, not nearly to the extent of TOS, but far more so than any of the other TV revivals and sequels.

Season one heavily featured PIke's Talosian arc, if you will, beginning with the first episode, through "Children of the Comet" and culminating in "A Quality of Mercy." He went from hesitance and self-concern about his future suffering, through an epiphany about the pitfalls of dwelling in certainty about events that have not yet come to pass, to acceptance that he could not protect others by turning away from his path any more than he could protect himself by worrying about it.

And that's a fine place to leave it, for the most part, in an ensemble series in which the journeys of other characters matter as much as his. I don't doubt that the writers will revisit his destiny and what it means to him in the final episodes of the series.
 
If anything TNG was DEFINITELY a show ABOUT Star Trek because for the first two seasons they went out of their way with the background props of studio models from TOS in all their shots

What?

I have no idea what you are talking about.

Are you referring to the models in the observation lounge?


name dropping TOS characters and situations and hell even doing a full and horrible remake of TOS S1 The Naked Time with TNG S1 The Naked Now.

Other than the 30s cameo of McCoy in the premier episode and "The Naked Now" can you provide examples of "name dropping TOS characters and situations" in the first two seasons of TNG?


https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/stp...about-fan-service.313285/page-2#post-14396191

TNG had 176 episodes.
Three of these episodes were focused on legacy characters. Sarek, Unification, Relics.

DS9 had 173 episodes.
Three of these episodes were focused on legacy characters. Blood Oath, The Sword of Kahless, Once More Unto the Breach.

VOY had 168 episodes.
No episode was focused on legacy characters.

ENT:
T'Pau was in 3 of 97 episodes. But these episodes didn't focus on her. She plays a major role, but she is not the focus (unlike Sarek in "Sarek"). Enterprise was not built around these 3 season 4 episodes with T'Pau.

TNG, DS9, VOY, and ENT were not built on legacy characters.

From 614 Berman-era episodes, 6 (9 if you count the 3 ENT episodes) are focused on legacy characters. Even if you count the two 30th Star Trek tribute episodes you get 11 out of 614 episodes.

Maybe you call these episodes "fan service/nostalgia bait/memberberries", but TNG DS9 VOY and ENT are not built around these episodes. That is not their identity.
 
By the end of season 2, I was of the opinion that SNW has had several good, even very good, episodes, but I was still waiting for it to have its great episode. The one that puts it on the map in the way that Measure of a Man or Duet did for earlier shows. I largely like the look of the show, I largely like its actors, and I felt that it was only a matter of time before it finally found its footing and reached those heights as well.

After season 3... I'm not sure I'm as optimistic. If I had to describe this season, I would say that the writers are writing for characters first and foremost. They decide that it's time for a Spock episode, or a Kirk episode, and they write the character's arc through the episode first, then craft the rest of the episode around that. That's not a wrong way to make an episode, persay, but I think it does lead to the "Strange New Worlds" feeling like an afterthought. I like Star Trek for the interesting scenarios that only a science fiction program can provide, but the show this last season has lost that interesting spark for me. I think even at its worst I like it a hell of a lot more than I liked Discovery or Picard, but with season 4 being filmed already, I suspect the show will continue down this path for the majority of its remaining run.
It's funny, because I love the show. But I have the same observation.

For me, this series might have the highest average quality of any Trek series - like, every other episode is an 8 or a 9 for me.
Part of it sadly is the short seasons, with only 10 episodes, and all being mostly solid. TOS, TNG etc. all have a ton of garbage. But also a ton of good and even great episodes.
Even DIS, which I don't really like, where for me almost every episodes is between a 4 and a 7, has one or two 10s in its run.
On SNW, (almost) every single episode has so much content & is so up to snuff, I'm almost never disappointed. However even the best ones are missing that teeny, tiny, little extra edge, that comes from being a little bit too risky, that often leads to failure. (Which is funny, because the show takes a ton of risks from a Trek purists' perspective).
I love the show. It's great. But maybe it sometimes needs to go that extra mile, to really dig into one single idea, that could be stupid, and really go all in, and not making it "safe" by adding a ton of other, also interesting stuff into the same episode.

Sadly (or gladly?), with season 4 already being filmed & 5 likely being a much more controlled 6 episodes arc - I expect the rest of the series to remain the same - super solid, way above average, but still missing it's absolute stand-out, outlier episodes.
 
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