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How big was the Enterprise?

Insert any trek concept in that and it plays out exactly the same. Fandom needs time to adjust to any concept.

Other things that took time to be accepted:
ridged klingons
Picard and Crew
Space Station setting
Voyager in general
Enterprise in general

What people like is rather tangential to the point being made. It's not like anyone though having Starfleet officers on space stations broke continuity, for example.
 
The Romulans have no forehead ridges in TOS or the TOS Movies, then every single one of them in the TNG Era has ridges. And in Trek 2009 and PIC they are smooth heads, TNG-style and bumpy headed.
And ST:PIC fixed that by having Laris calling them "Northerners".
 
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This guy, a Northerner from Picard, got ridges. If fact his name should be "Ruffles".
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he's got vulcanoid "neeson brows" XD and nose bridge, then deep creases around those and the bulge
not the distinct ridges
What I call the "Nero bulge."
i was thinking it reminds me more of the st09 "we subtly fattened the romulans' heads/bones", yeah
almost Mintakan, even...


interestingly, i was looking at screen caps and BTS pics of the modeling process of the skulls in confedPicard's trophy room, and the one that is meant to be sarek's apears to have very faint versions of the v-ridges, the kind of features you wouldn't really notice with muscle and skin covering it... and then the klingon skull that's supposed to be martok's they didn't seem to bother to make have his pattern, okay, you made him a discogon, at least give him his pattern! weird combo of thought vs lack of thought, idk... artist maybe wasn't told they would be specific peoples' skulls.
 
I haven't read the whole thread, so apologies if this has Been brought up, but in regards the "northerner" thing, this was an inside joke based on a jest GR made way back when ST: TMP first introduced the (then) new Klingons, saying that the old ones were southern Klingons and the new ones were northern Klingons.
 
Indeed. As mentioned before, I'm old enough to remember when certain Discovery fans were angry about folks saying the Discoprise had been enlarged and thus couldn't possibly be refitted into the TOS ship, declaring the enlargement claim as false and coming from the evil anti-Disco crowd who rejected the retcons. Then it was maybe happening but just by Eaglemoss, then it was on background text, then it became official. Now the size change is good and no one ever disliked the idea and only haters think it's bad.
Another thing to consider is that when Spock first meets Number One in the Short Treks episode "Q & A", that short takes place before "The Cage". And guess what? The Enterprise looked like the DSC/SNW Enterprise, not the Enterprise from "The Cage".

So, some would have us believe that we go from the SNW Enterprise to the Cage Enterprise back to the SNW Enterprise and then to the TOS Enterprise. Which just sounds ridiculous. After a certain point, Occam's Razor applies. It's much easier to just treat it like two different versions of the Enterprise.

Either... Glass Half Full: some people honestly forget about "Q & A" or, Glass Half Empty: they hoped no one would remember. Which one is actually the case? We'll leave that question open-ended.
 
Story continuity is not and has never been the same thing as visual continuity. The Enterprise looked one way in 1966, and it looks a different way in 2025.

Does any of that affect the stories that have been told? Of course, it doesn’t.
This.

If I treat SNW separate from TOS what have I lost?

Honestly, TOS stands apart for me. It's unrelated to anything that follows.
 
Either... Glass Half Full: some people honestly forget about "Q & A" or, Glass Half Empty: they hoped no one would remember. Which one is actually the case? We'll leave that question open-ended.
That's the peril of me not watching the show. I would do that awful "notice things" thing we aren't supposed to do.
 
If I treat SNW separate from TOS what have I lost?
Nothing, whichever way one wants to take that.
So, some would have us believe that we go from the SNW Enterprise to the Cage Enterprise back to the SNW Enterprise and then to the TOS Enterprise. Which just sounds ridiculous. After a certain point, Occam's Razor applies. It's much easier to just treat it like two different versions of the Enterprise.
I revised the list I made a couple of pages ago to include this information, posting it in the _other thread_ on trying to reconcile the changes. I'm not going to repost it here but did want to be sure your point above is noted vigorously in this thread, too:

So, if you believe that the new "Prime" "Star Trek Universe" is inclusive of and respects prior canon, then the Enterprise undergoes a whopping four major appearance-changing refits between 2250 and 2272 (leaving out the relatively minor Disco->SNW changes of 2258/2259, which are roughly equivalent to the pilot->production changes for the TOS ship, and assuming the 515->442 thing is just a little whoopsie). Three of these would involve size changes of 50% (including the Short Trek -> Cage change, which I include thanks to the turbolift caverns).

Alas, that's what Star Trek technology is now thanks to the Titan and Stargazer refits. Welcome to the new era!
 
It's quite simple really. You see, when they made TOS, they couldn't get Starfleet to loan them a Constitution class Starship for the filming. What with them being important ships and everything. So they borrowed a light cruiser from a different class that was roughly the same shape, painted NCC-1701 on it and used that instead, assuming people wouldn't know the difference, and couldn't tell that this ship was only 288m rather than 442m. When the show became popular lots of people assumed that the Constitution class looked like the smaller ship and it all got a bit confused until TMP was made with a bigger budget and they were able to use a proper (442m) refit Constitution for the visuals, then Disco used the proper, original design. The ship that had played the Enterprise in TOS became so famous as a result that it ended up in the fleet museum (under it's real name, USS New Jersey).

There, fixed it.
 
It's quite simple really. You see, when they made TOS, they couldn't get Starfleet to loan them a Constitution class Starship for the filming. What with them being important ships and everything. So they borrowed a light cruiser from a different class that was roughly the same shape, painted NCC-1701 on it and used that instead, assuming people wouldn't know the difference, and couldn't tell that this ship was only 288m rather than 442m. When the show became popular lots of people assumed that the Constitution class looked like the smaller ship and it all got a bit confused until TMP was made with a bigger budget and they were able to use a proper (442m) refit Constitution for the visuals, then Disco used the proper, original design. The ship that had played the Enterprise in TOS became so famous as a result that it ended up in the fleet museum (under it's real name, USS New Jersey).

There, fixed it.
Are you saying the historical documents lied? :wah:
 
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