Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 3x08 - "Four-And-A-Half Vulcans"

[Bad Thoughts]

SNW mirrored TOS in that is was EXCELLENT out of the gate (unlike the Berman Era Trek series - they all sucked in gtheir early seasons.)

Also, sorry, but I don't see any quality drop and there are more good to excellent episodes than clunkers for me - so far I've only disliked S3 Ep. 2 and S3 Ep. 4 - the rest have been good to excellent.

VMMV of course.

Well, I didn't address the changing identity of TOS, and yes, YMMV. However, TOS dealt with more turmoil, with numerous turnovers of production staff, including (what we would call today) the showrunner, and changing relationships with the network. Enterprise had a number of similar challenges the network changed hands, the producers were edged out), but managed to become more focused ).

 

[Captain Jollydark]

On my second watch I thought maybe the reason Pike's Vulcan version was so weirdly anal and obsessive is because of his experience with T'Pring's parents in Charade. It colored all his behavior in his own quarters certainly. The obsessive cleaning, the over compensating for "human smell," the no salt (per T'Pril's very snooty reaction to his use of salt to slow fermentation).

 

[Tuskin38]

Vulcans haven't upgraded from finger Ethernet to brain Wi-Fi like Betazoids have.

Well, Vulcans do have touchless telepathy, it just usually only works with other Vulcans (Spock sensing the death of the Intrepid's Vulcan crew) or apprently Humans, and presumably other species they've connected deeply with, (T'Pol/Trip, Sarek/Micheal).

While not completely touchless as he was touching the door, Spock in TOS once did something through a door to someone on the other side.

If Yzma's potions can turn Kuzco into a llama, I suppose alien potions can turn Humans into a fellow Humanoid.

Remember, this serum was made by powerful non-corporeal aliens.
Not really that crazy of a thing compared to what other Trek series non-corporeal aliens have done.

 

[Lakenheath 72]

It was actually two episodes - "A Taste of Armageddon" and "By Any Other Name". In "The Omega Glory", Spock gave a "suggestion" to a native woman to pick up a communicator, walk over to Spock with it, and open it. He did this through telepathic mind waves.

This was the song at the beginning of the episode.

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[TRON JA307020]

A SF adventure show that tackles multiple genres and styles.

There's a show called The Orville that is fsr superior to this show. It was designed as a comedy sci fi drama. It does all better than SNW and has better special effects and they get off the ship more than pikes and crew. Star trek was never a full blown comedy but that's what we are getting now. Even the serious episodes have their comedy relief scenes.

 

[johnjm22]

Terrible as usual.

 

[Tuskin38]

The Orville that is fsr superior to this show.

No it isn't.

 

[indranee]

On my second watch I thought maybe the reason Pike's Vulcan version was so weirdly anal and obsessive is because of his experience with T'Pring's parents in Charade. It colored all his behavior in his own quarters certainly. The obsessive cleaning, the over compensating for "human smell," the no salt (per T'Pril's very snooty reaction to his use of salt to slow fermentation).

Yes, I didn't see ANY of Spock's colorations in there. But I'm assuming that each altered persona may have brought some key traits from their human selves to the Vulcan iteration. Just as the augment was so strong in La'an, the communicative need in Uhura, the inclination toward scientific research in Chapel, I think that perhaps Pike's need to lead and have control (a trait he probably shares w/ a lot of captain types) made him obsessed with having control over his immediate surroundings.

 

[Tuskin38]

Terrible as usual.

most episodes aren't terrible.

 

[Starflight]

Though given you thought there was anything good in Discovery's first two seasons suggests the rest of Star Trek just might not be for you given SNW is basically going back to the more standard, and successful, format of doing things.

Oh, thanks for telling me, I was just on the brink of checking out this "Star Trek" to see what all the fuss was about, but I'll hold off.

 

[Jedi Marso]

No it isn't.

I think this could be argued. It's a close run thing.

 

[TRON JA307020]

No it isn't.

Funnier, better effects, sci fi stories and battle scenes and better drama. All around better show.

 

[fireproof78]

No it isn't.

Yeah, it's definitely not. Some of the most unfortunate characters as leaders. The effects don't make up for the poor characters.

 

[JohnCrichton1999]

The uncontrollable animal attraction between Una and the rizziest of Vulcans was incredibly funny in its delivery. So good to see Rebecca Romijn get to just be as hilarious as she can be.

This is Patton's payback against RedLetterMedia for wasting his time watching bad movies. Becoming the Rizziest Vulcan since Sybok (he counts too).

 

[AntonyF]

No, we don't .
We have very little info from TOS about Spock & Chapel's previous interpersonal relationship.
There's nothing in TOS that indicates that they didn't meet before.

There's an awful lot of hyperbole coming from folks who apparently don't care for this episode.

You're arguging that the asbensce of something may mean the presence of something.

But we're TV viewers. We rely on what is shown to us and told to us to build the evidence of the universe.

I could say say that Nurse Chapel may have also been an excellent yodeller because there's nothing in TOS that indicates she wasn't.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I think this could be argued. It's a close run thing.

I really want Kelly to meet Una

 

[The Rock]

OK that end credits scene between Spock and Doug was fantastic. I hadn't laughed like that in months! Life hasn't been exactly great for me this year so I really needed this!

 

[Nerys Myk]

I could say say that Nurse Chapel may have also been an excellent yodeller because there's nothing in TOS that indicates she wasn't.

Yes, you could. But when the writers say she's an excellent yodeler, then she becomes one and that is retroactively applied to all of her previous appearances. Even if there is an appearance where it was shown she can't hold a tune. An example of this would be Bashir being revealed as an Augment, even though no mention of this was in any previous appearances. And even "contradicted" by those appearances.

 

[Noname Given]

Well, I didn't address the changing identity of TOS, and yes, YMMV. However, TOS dealt with more turmoil, with numerous turnovers of production staff, including (what we would call today) the showrunner, and changing relationships with the network. Enterprise had a number of similar challenges the network changed hands, the producers were edged out), but managed to become more focused ).

That's just the nature of television. Hell the first three seasons of TNG were more chaotic than anything that occurred during the TOS run 20 years earlier.

As far as Enterprise, sorry but Berman and Braga weren't edged out at all. They cerded control willingly. Brannon Braga wanted to work on other projects such as The 4400, and was doing so; and Rick Berman was tired and burned out but still kept his hand in while developing further Star Trek projects that never came to fruition. His contract ran longer than the UPN run of Enterprise and he kept his office on the lot and worked there for nearly a year after Enterprise went off the air developing some sort of Romulan War film.

Manny Coto could have kept the last episode as planned, and the demons Terror Prime Arc would have been three episodes; but he allowed Rick Berman and Brannon Braga to have the final episode which they tried to turn into a truly poor 18 year retrospective on their time in the Star Trek franchise. It's still worst episode of Enterprise ever made.

 

[Starkers]

I enjoyed that way more than I expected to! La'an becoming Romulan (or at the very least a pre logic Vulcan) Kirk and Scotty bonding, that outfit Number One was wearing at the end , and then that end credits scene which made me laugh out loud. It's been a crappy week and I so needed this.

Would have been nice to see Spock talk to each of their katras but I guess that would have been a tad repetitive and made the episode about 20 minutes longer!

I'm assuming that the last two episodes are likely to be serious so that makes, by my count, 3 comedy/high concept episodes out of 10 which doesn't feel like a terrible ratio.