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Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 3x04 - "A Space Adventure Hour"

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Self driving Teslas were rushed out and bugs covered up, and at least 1 person has died as a result. I have no problem believing buggy hardware is rushed out and covered up in Trek just like in real life.
I think we're talking about the characters' shock at Whalen being shot in "The Big Goodbye", where Picard also enthuses about the technology as if it's new. If the technology was known a century earlier, "The Big Goodbye" is hilarious because the closest real-world equivalent is Picard being astonished by an Atari 2600 to the point that he has to tell all his friends how incredible it is that you can move the square around on-screen, and Whalen being flabbergasted that a videogame can crash.

I'm not super committed to making the point because the holodeck's inclusion in this episode doesn't bother me, but IMO it is against the spirit of "Farpoint" and "The Big Goodbye" (though Voyager already retconned them to have been around for a few decades, and I didn't have a problem with that either).
 
So Spock is dating Khan's descendant, but doesn't know much about him in TOS? Even MORE proof that we are in a rewritten, post TOS timeline...
Space Seed and WoK as aired HAVE to be different now, although similar events obviously still happened as confirmed by Ambassador Spock in Into Darkness. For example the lines referring to 1990s have to be different.
I think we're talking about the characters' shock at Whalen being shot in "The Big Goodbye", where Picard also enthuses about the technology as if it's new. If the technology was known a century earlier, "The Big Goodbye" is hilarious because the closest real-world equivalent is Picard being astonished by an Atari 2600 to the point that he has to tell all his friends how incredible it is that you can move the square around on-screen, and Whalen being flabbergasted that a videogame can crash.

I'm not super committed to making the point because the holodeck's inclusion in this episode doesn't bother me, but IMO it is against the spirit of "Farpoint" and "The Big Goodbye" (though Voyager already retconned them to have been around for a few decades, and I didn't have a problem with that either).
Starfleet is a military. We don't know if the tech was widely known in the 23rd century outside the upper echelons of Starfeet. And again the recanonization of TAS, as shown by its inclusion in the official site, already steamrolled TNG holodeck reactions.
 
So Spock is dating Khan's descendant, but doesn't know much about him in TOS? Even MORE proof that we are in a rewritten, post TOS timeline...
Is there a reason she should give him a detailed account of an ancestor who lived over 200 years ago? Is that a common topic when you date someone?

Is there any indication in Space Seed that Spock or any of the crew "don't know much about him?" Once they figure out that "Kahn" is actually Kahn Noonian Singh the facts start flowing.
 
Is there a reason she should give him a detailed account of an ancestor who lived over 200 years ago? Is that a common topic when you date someone?

Is there any indication in Space Seed that Spock or any of the crew "don't know much about him?" Once they figure out that "Kahn" is actually Kahn Noonian Singh the facts start flowing.
Scotty even admits to having a sneaking admiration for the man. They all knew who Khan was in historical context, they just didn't immediate realize that that was the man that they had revived.
 
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I loved all the little trek references, and Anson as a Gene Roddenberry character was the highlight and stole the show.

But the episode for me really just didn’t work as a whole though. I think because this has been done to death with holodecks.

This is the first SNW episode in a long time I was glad was over.
 
Scotty: I must confess, gentlemen. I've always held a sneaking admiration for this one.

Kirk: He was the best of the tyrants and the most dangerous. They were supermen, in a sense. Stronger, braver, certainly more ambitious, more daring.

Spock: Gentlemen, this romanticism about a ruthless dictator is conveniently timed after La'an Noonien Singh has already transferred off of this ship.
 
I'm rewatching it right now, and I just realized they left a clue that Spock was a holodeck character. There were 8 people on the PADD that Scotty showed La'an, and all of them but Spock showed up immediately in the holodeck story.
 
I know people have been saying it since season one, but why doesn't she change her name since she expressly hates it? Takes ten minutes and there's no more wincing every time someone says "Lieutenant Hitler, please report" on the ship's comms.

"La'an" is so close to "Khan", too. "Lieutenant Adulf Hitler, report for duty". Amazing.
 
Dang, after the failed “Wedding Bell Blues” this is another one that didn’t land for me at all. The episode looked amazing, as per usual, and I loved Anson Mount’s performance as the idiosyncratic Hollywood writer (IMHO he’s the only one who really leaned into the opportunity to play against type). The parallel storyline with Scotty was interesting as well. (Although I keep wondering why he seems to be stuck in that new science lab set in every episode; is engineering not a thing anymore for engineers on this show?)

But other than that I was baffled by some of the writing choices. Want to make a Murder Mystery? Fine, but then make it something clever and not this hodgepodge of stereotypes and trite dialog. There’s definitely a kernel of a cool idea there, but it didn’t come together at all and just kind of ended at some point. What exactly was it about that even more stoic and computer-like Spock that made La’an realize she’s got the hots for him? They really forgot to add some kind of scene that made that resolution make sense, I feel like. And am I the only one who immediately suspected that that wasn’t really Spock in the simulation?

Or was this supposed to be a comedy? Then I have to wonder — if I might be so blunt — why did they forget to add any fucking jokes? The idea of the Trek-stand-in in-universe sci-fi show is cool and all, but that opening scene went on for waaay too long and I kept wondering if it was supposed to be funny. The writers seem to think that all they need to do is create these kind of colorful, outlandish situations and then it just magically has to be funny. But unfortunately that didn’t work here at all, just as it didn’t with the whole Trelane nonsense. The writing just isn’t there.

Oh man, hopefully it’ll be back to form next week. 😐
 
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