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Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 3x02 - "Wedding Bell Blues"
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More specifically, the Lydia Sutherland (a combination of the names of two ships commanded by Horatio Hornblower) comes from Vonda McIntyre's1986 Giant Star Trek novel, ENTERPRISE: THE FIRST ADVENTURE.
(Sorry for the flipped response that puts Nerys Myk's reply above your question. I somehow screwed up the quote function and can't figure out how to fix it.)
I’m late in commenting, but I liked this episode OK. Certainly less than the season premiere, but I hardly soured on it. In fact, I’m not sure there has been a single bad episode of Strange New Worlds in my mind. It’s just that romantic comedy isn’t my thing, so yeah, it was never destined to rank highly. And, while I’ve never been a canonista, I will admit to a feeling of overarching awkwardness over the creative decision to have made Spock into this sort of character for episodes which have centered on his love life. It is what it is!
I've said this many times, but no matter how much Trekkies want Star Trek to be Lord of the Rings in space, it was constructed to be The Twilight Zone on a starship.
Too much more TOS and we'll have to change the name of the show from "Strange New Worlds" to "Same Old Shit."
Farragut was supposed to be Constitution Class, wasn't she? Of course, if SNW Farragut is something else that's just one more data point in the 'alternate universe' matrix.
She was never given a class in canon before SNW.
She was assumed to be connie by fans and non-canon works, probably because that was the only canon ship class in that time period at that point.
USS Farragut (NCC-1647)
The USS Farragut (NCC-1647) was a Bellerophon-class Federation starship operated by Starfleet in the 23rd century. The Farragut was constructed at the ground-based facility of the San Francisco Fleet Yards in California, Earth. The ship was launched on October 2, 2243, and was named for American...
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By acceptance, do you mean that you think Spock will be over the romance and not invested in her across the remainder of the season and series? Or do you think that this will add complexity to their relationship that they will keep revisiting? Complete acceptance would throw away their large arc up to now so I'd be very disappointed in they went in that direction. Just like with La'an and Kirk, if the answers is that they won't and now they're over it then what was the point?
I agree. A lot of people do seem to think that they're completely over. I'm surprised because Chapel's feelings are important in TOS. The strange new worlds episode that showed us the Romulan incident with Pike instead of Kirk also made it clear that Chapel had deep feelings (Spock was unconscious so we don't have a clue what he thought). In order to get back around that her feelings, I think that this relationship has to continue. Dropping the relationship and Spock reaching full acceptance would make TOS more confusing as she's in love with him and his sobbing reaction to her love proposal seems to suggest the same from him. As you said, this relationship has been at the core of SNW so I'd be surprised if they're happy to drop it.
Here how the writer's reflect on it.
They will have to interact,” executive producer Henry Alonso Myers tells TVLine, and “that interaction will be dramatic, no matter what… We promise you that those great dramatic and comic scenes between them will continue on. Just because we end that particular romantic part of their relationship doesn’t mean that there aren’t future interesting parts of the relationship that you’re gonna run right into the face of.”
Spock and Chapel have “a very complex relationship that they don’t always spend enough time talking about,” Myers points out, “and that’s part of the challenge that they run into.” Fellow EP Akiva Goldsman adds that “we love the characters [of Spock and Chapel], and so they’re going through a thing, you know. It’s hard.”
Also, Jess's interpretation:
Jess Bush details Christine's mindset of moving on from her romance with the Vulcan: "I think going into season 3, Chapel knows that something is not quite right with Spock, but she can't really articulate what that is. It's just like she needs to follow her own path, and it's just not really fitting."
Jess Bush points out that the attraction between Chapel and Spock remains, but Christine feels she has to find her own way without him. "Just the way that we both need to move individually is not working," Bush says. "Not to say that she doesn't love him, and she's not very attracted to him, [but] there's just a tension there that's not really working out. She needs to follow her own path."
It sounds like the romance is on pause but the love, attraction and relationship remain. I wonder how they will reconcile that?
The whole point of the episode was Spock realizing that in spite of what he felt, he intellectually recognized that Korby was actually a better fit for her. Or at least, that was what Christine felt, and he accepted that.
I expect Spock getting "over her" will take longer. It might be part of why he ultimately decides to purge his emotions by the time that TOS proper starts! I think that's a good way to have things framed, at least.
When you are delighted with anything, be delighted as with a thing which is not one of those which cannot be taken away, but as something of such a kind, as an earthen pot is, or a glass cup, that, when it has been broken, you may remember what it was and may not be troubled… What you love is nothing of your own: it has been given to you for the present, not that it should not be taken from you, nor has it been given to you for all time, but as a fig is given to you or a bunch of grapes at the appointed season of the year. But if you wish for these things in winter, you are a fool. So if you wish for your son or friend when it is not allowed to you, you must know that you are wishing for a fig in winter.”
~Stoic philosopher Epictetus (c. 55–135 AD) in The Discourses
~Stoic philosopher Epictetus (c. 55–135 AD) in The Discourses
Until 4 years from that point (if the trend holds...)
This was a fun episode. I LOLed at the classic TOS dramatic music -- set to Spock's reaction -- when Korby is revealed as Christine's lover. Only disappointment was that it totally ripped the ending of Squire of the Gothos in the end, though I understand by design.
Query: if Trelane has seen 23rd century Earth and the Enterprise already, why does he think it's 900 years in the past when he encounters Kirk et al.? Yes, yes... Non-linear time being... and a wizard did it.
Anyway, 8.5/10!
Query: if Trelane has seen 23rd century Earth and the Enterprise already, why does he think it's 900 years in the past when he encounters Kirk et al.? Yes, yes... Non-linear time being... and a wizard did it.
Anyway, 8.5/10!
Never stated; was commonly assumed in fanon, but that’s fanon, so that doesn’t matter.
Because he doesn’t give a flying fig about the little beings and their “history”, anyway. His whole sorta-historic thing is like the American businessman in, I think, The Canterbury Ghost, who buys a Scottish castle but adds a gondola to the moat to make it look more “European”.
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The theory is this is Trelane after that episode, the Q are nonlinear after all.
