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Spoilers Superman (2025) Grade and Discussion

How would you rate Superman?

  • You'll believe a man can fly

    Votes: 25 30.9%
  • A

    Votes: 12 14.8%
  • A-

    Votes: 12 14.8%
  • B+

    Votes: 16 19.8%
  • B

    Votes: 7 8.6%
  • B-

    Votes: 1 1.2%
  • C+

    Votes: 3 3.7%
  • C

    Votes: 1 1.2%
  • C-

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • D+

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • D

    Votes: 1 1.2%
  • D-

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • F+

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • F

    Votes: 1 1.2%
  • A pocket full of Kryptonite

    Votes: 2 2.5%

  • Total voters
    81
There's reincarnation with Hawkman and Hawkgirl, but it doesn't go linear through time and space, so they have been Thanagarian, they have been human, there even was a Hawk on Krypton once, and a Hawk from the future could die and be reincarnated in the past, and right now there are actually two different Hawkgirls, Shiera and Kendra, who are both part of that reincarnation cycle.
 
Isn't the current Hawkgirl from Earth? Kendra Saunders?

In the comics, both Shayera from Thanagar and Kendra from Earth are around. They are both reincarnations of the original Hawkwoman at different places in their personal timelines. That's assuming the Hawkman series from a few years ago is still valid in current continuity.

As for the Gunnverse, JG has apparently stated that Kendra's wings are a part of her body.

EDIT: Looks like we posted the same thing at the same time.
 
In the comics, both Shayera from Thanagar and Kendra from Earth are around. They are both reincarnations of the original Hawkwoman at different places in their personal timelines. That's assuming the Hawkman series from a few years ago is still valid in current continuity.

As for the Gunnverse, JG has apparently stated that Kendra's wings are a part of her body.

EDIT: Looks like we posted the same thing at the same time.

Looking at the Engineer, who has a mate in The Authority with Wings.

We could be pending for a dramatic misdirect?
 
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If Zack Snyder directed this movie.

Credit to artist Butcher Billy
 
Looking at the Engineer, who has a mate in The Authority with Wings.

We could be pending for a dramatic misdirect?

That's an interesting idea, and might work considering that Hawkgirl doesn't have qualms about killing. I could see her fighting alongside Midnighter. In universe, it would be an interesting development to have the authority form at the same time as the Justice League with a JL vs The Authority movie down the road.
 
It always seemed to me that all Connery, Lazenby, Moore and Dalton were all the same character. The thing that tied everyone of them together was the death of his wife. It happened in Lazenby's movie, Connery's next one opens with him like a madman chasing after blofeld, and it was mentioned in both Spy Who Loved Me and License To Kill.

Plus my earlier comment was in regards to Superman Returns actually being advertised as a movie that takes place after 1 and 2 and pretending none of the other sequels existed. If there were other franchises that came out and said "ignore the sequels" I'm not familiar with them. I dont ever remember a Bond movie doing that before Casino Royale.
I think they were loosely the same guy but Pierce is too young to have been making jokes about the Beatles while fighting Goldfinger in the early 60s and it’s hard to imagine Dalton’s version of Bond on that space station from Moonraker.

I don’t recall if SR was advertised like that per se, but certainly it does seem to have been how the makers described it.
 
I think they were loosely the same guy but Pierce is too young to have been making jokes about the Beatles while fighting Goldfinger in the early 60s and it’s hard to imagine Dalton’s version of Bond on that space station from Moonraker.
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They're all the same guy (Lazenby's joke notwithstanding) but the series was soft-rebooted with each new Bond actor, with a bit of the classic "comic book sliding timeline" thrown in for good measure.
 
Saw it today with my wife, we thought it was pretty good.
I do have some thoughts (might have been mentioned in the previous 37 pages...)

Lex's plan hinged on Superman going to Boravia to intervene. For all he knew, Superman might have decided to stay out of it or might have been occupied elsewhere.
Additionally, bringing one person Superman cares about at a time for the interrogation is stupid, since Lex wanted Superman dead as soon as possible (and it would have made more sense from Lex's perspective to abduct Clark first, since he had multiple "interactions" with Superman).
Is Supergirl still unknown to the general public? Lex's problem with Superman should extend to her too (same with the general public and the government).
Speaking of Supergirl, didn't she leave Krypton as a young teenager? Shouldn't she know about Kal-El's parents wanting him to rule to world? Shouldn't Superman have asked her about it when she came back?

Krypto was a scene stealer, and was used just the right amount of times. Reminded us of our own unruly dog...
I liked that Green Lantern got a brief moment to worry that Superman might be a treat he should be worried about. It kept the character from being too one note.
 
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What's the difference?
If he reversed time for everyone else and ONLY saved Lois, he's not there to stop the original missile and thus Jimmy Olsen and everyone else he saved died in her place. Going back in time temporarily, it lets him be in two places at once so he could save everyone including Lois.

The movie didn't make it clear he didn't reverse time for everyone and only he himself travelled back so he could save everyone and apparently made it look like he only saved Lois and inexplicably Jimmy was still alive and Lex's plan 100% stopped.
 
They're all the same guy (Lazenby's joke notwithstanding) but the series was soft-rebooted with each new Bond actor, with a bit of the classic "comic book sliding timeline" thrown in for good measure.
I always assume they're the same guy as well, as you say a very soft reboot each time, but all the things that happened to Connery happened to Lazenby and what happened to Moore happened to Dalton and Brosnan.

Tracy is referenced several times in the Moore era and once with Dalton.

Craig is definitely a different man though.
 
If he reversed time for everyone else and ONLY saved Lois, he's not there to stop the original missile and thus Jimmy Olsen and everyone else he saved died in her place. Going back in time temporarily, it lets him be in two places at once so he could save everyone including Lois.

The movie didn't make it clear he didn't reverse time for everyone and only he himself travelled back so he could save everyone and apparently made it look like he only saved Lois and inexplicably Jimmy was still alive and Lex's plan 100% stopped.
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I'm sorry, the movie makes this very clear. Jimmy comes running, complaining about Superman leaving him in the middle of nowhere during an Earthquake, referrencing a scene from before him going back.

Seriously, I've come across some people who thought the scene had Superman literally changing the rotation of the Earth and that making time go backwards, but i've never met anybody so film-illiterate to think that Superman let Jimmy and all the other people die. Especially since, like I said, there comes jimmy, alive and well.
 
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