Yep. It's the same reason movie studios redesign superhero costumes with each new season or movie. If you create a new version, you can then market a whole new version.
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It could come across that alien space station from the Enterprise episode Dead Stop, and it reconfigures the ship for some reason.
But that unlikely event aside, just about everyone here seems to agree that the crew size doubles for Kirk's five year mission, prompting some kind of internal overhaul. So if the interior changes, there's no reason the exterior can't go through a few cosmetic changes too.
We more than agree, that's canonical fact. The Enterprise had a crew of over 200 when Pike was in command, as established in The Cage, Disco and SNW. Kirk commanded a crew of over 400, established multiple times on TOS.
Yep. Both versions of the ship represent THE SAME SHIP. How it's seen is just dependent on which artistic vision is chosen at that particular time. Trek isn't a period piece. Showing it one way or another isn't a historical anachronism.
This.
And even if it was, it was based on Westerns which frequently used anachronistic firearms, among other things. Period pieces don't even get close to the same demand for accuracy at times that Star Trek does.
Because Westerns don't give their viewers multiple seasons of history lessons, well except for the ones without anachronisms. Which are incidentally called out as being mistakes when people spot them.
I don't personally know off-hand when the Colt Walker 1847 was invented so I wouldn't have a clue if it was anachronistic, but I know the bloody Enterprise. Okay, that was a bad example, but seriously I know very little about the development of firearms in the US so I can only hope that the producers did a good job with their research.
I know that Picard's team did the research, because I follow the researcher on Twitter and I've seen all the work he put in. It's genuinely impressive and really helped the final product. He even knew what a Constitution class ship was supposed to look like, which is obscure trivia only history buffs are aware of.
Why is it so hard to accept that a ship designed in the mid 60's, isn't gonna hold up as your "hero ship" for a show produced in the 2020's? I love the TOS Enterprise, but it's extremely dated, inside and out.
Because fans (speaking broadly) do not like aspersions cast on the things they are fans about.
Why is it so hard to accept that a ship designed in the mid 60's, isn't gonna hold up as your "hero ship" for a show produced in the 2020's? I love the TOS Enterprise, but it's extremely dated, inside and out.
And change is hard.
And that's the thing-they didn't. They used firearms that were cheap and available to them. That's the whole aspect of this art thing; can you produce on time, under budget and make money first and foremost? If yes, then you can have a bit more freedom.
*sighs*
It's not history.
Why is it so hard to accept that a ship designed in the mid 60's, isn't gonna hold up as your "hero ship" for a show produced in the 2020's? I love the TOS Enterprise, but it's extremely dated, inside and out.
Seems to hold up pretty well to me.
One doesn't look real to me.
Seems to hold up pretty well to me.
Hint: it's the bottom one.
You haven't spent much time in Indiana Jones subreddits/forums have you? They already ripped apart all the Indy movies on how that vehicle or weapon wasn't invented at the time the film takes place, and they're already prepping up to do the same for the upcoming Indiana Jones video game. You can just take a glance at https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/AnachronismStew/IndianaJones
You think this helps your cause, but it really doesn't.
Seems to hold up pretty well to me.
Ray & Fireproof: ENOUGH!
I deliberately avoid them. I've seen enough in my day over other films.
Why is it so hard to accept that a ship designed in the mid 60's, isn't gonna hold up as your "hero ship" for a show produced in the 2020's? I love the TOS Enterprise, but it's extremely dated, inside and out.
I don't agree. It looked great in ST:ENT. The interior needed a little updating but the exterior looks fine.
Just wish that the SNW production team would have kept the ship the same size instead of making everything twice as big. No window view screen, no turbolift interior the size of the Enterprise D, no captains quarters the size of ten forward etc. There were much better (and believable) choices they could have gone with when they updated the ship. But they made some very bizarre choices imo.
I wonder how SW fans would have felt if Disney decided to redesign the New Hope to ROTJ era for all the Disney+ shows. Costumes, tech overall look etc. I bet it would not have gone over very well.
It worked as a novelty.
The old size never really worked to begin with.
I actually love the bridge window. It finally explains why they'd bother to put the bridge at the top of the ship.
Star Wars has a very different design aesthetic from an entirely different era of production.
going to go out on a limb and say very close to 1847
I commented in that Reddit thread! But really Indy fans aren't that militant about it. its more of a fun intellectual exercise.
I don't think they'd change much, really. A bit of extra definition to the hull and the odd extra lighting source, but it doesn't really require anything else. Think of that TWOK uniform seen in SNW S1, and that's all I think they'd do, but in Starship form.
It just doesn't need that much updating.
I'm biased of course, since its my favourite spaceship design of all time. That doesn't help my opinion on it.
Oh, I love the design of the refit as well. It’s my second favorite design. But I think the changes would be about equal to what they changed from the Enterprise to the Discoprise. Remember they’d be “refitting” the nu-Trek ship not the classic version. There would be changes for sure. I’d be curious to see what a Discoprise-D or even DiscoVoyager would look like.
Parallel universes work for me. That’s how I can not get worked up over the changes they make.
Oh yeah, considering that on a normal day, the rabidness of the SW fans make the more heated arguments or “discussions” we have over the design of the ship, alternate universes, etc.. look like quiet civil discussions. I would expect that redesigning something like the Falcon, X-Wings or Darth Vaders helmet would cause riots online.
Ok, that's pretty nice. It nailed the Disco dark quite well.
Seems to hold up pretty well to me.
Possibly, but I still think it depends on what they'll collectively decide around a big table. Does the original refit still hold up? I guess it depends on who is at the table at the time.
Yeah, that one throws a wrench into things, because ENT is post-rewrite, and it still looks like TOS. I figure the ship left the Prime before the rewrite, and entered a mirrorverse after it, or something like that. No real explanation for the ISS looking different, unless a post-rewrite ship did the same exact thing, and overwrote the old one, or if its not technically the same mirror-verse.
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