I’d disagree that it looks modern or even like the 80s, especially Seasons 1 & 2. With the 480i CGI in those seasons being upscaled, on Blu-Ray and HD Broadcast, those episodes are not holding up that well, especially when you have the mixed shots of film/CGI. If you are watching the DVD’s then the show looks a lot better because everything has been de-interlaced and shrunk down to 480p. The recent Remasters of SeaQuest and Babylon 5, even with their 480i-CGI-to-film sequences look better in HD than Enterprise and they have aged better besides being 10 years older than Enterprise. (I’ve found that on Blu-Ray, those mixed shots end up looking worst than the cropped CGI on the Babylon 5 DVD’s—-I’m not entirely sure if just the analog nature of 35mm film and the analog editing of that film back in the day was playing a role in the CGI of SeaQuest and Babylon 5 aging better, especially in mixed shots, vs the all digital editing and storage on digital tape of Enterprise but those 90s shows have aged better.)
A whole lot better, twenty-odd years later
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Looks great on crappy streaming though.
From what I have seen the compression on streaming makes it look even worst. And is the poorest quality out there.
The DVDs look better than anything else out there.
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I was always a champion of Enterprise, to me it was always a great show, it never got a fair crack of the whip, or proper appreciation at the time. I've said loads on here, well maybe a couple of times, that there are good and bad episodes in every different Trek show, Enterprise was no different, and I think the good vastly outnumbered the bad.
I would have to disagree. I’ve been going through Season 1. Unfortunately a lot of the season, especially the first half is filler. The Temporal Cold War was setup in the pilot, but then they dropped it until like 10 episodes later (which, I think if I look at the broadcast dates, meant that that storyline wasn’t picked up on until like the last episode before the Christmas 2001/2002 break). The only other story arc was the Andorian/Vulcan story, but that was one solitary episode.
In one way it’s like watching B5’s “Crusade”.
For me ENT was never bad, even when it's not my favorite Trek.
TOS and DS9 are my favorites.
A good 2nd place I give to TNG.
For 3rd place I see ENT, VOY and SNW together.
It's true, ENT had bad episodes but also very good ones. Regeneration is one of my favorite Star Trek episodes ever. ENT was not very good at the development of characters. The most interesting ones are Phlox, Shran and sometimes T'Pol imo. And I was always hoping for more Hoshi and Travis, they had potential. I didn't always like Archer's decisions but maybe he had no other choice. Oh and I didn't like the uniforms
But the worst thing about ENT was it's finale, the last episode. Anyway, all in all ENT is a good and entertaining sience fiction show that was canceled too soon imo.
TOS and DS9 are my favorites.
A good 2nd place I give to TNG.
For 3rd place I see ENT, VOY and SNW together.
It's true, ENT had bad episodes but also very good ones. Regeneration is one of my favorite Star Trek episodes ever. ENT was not very good at the development of characters. The most interesting ones are Phlox, Shran and sometimes T'Pol imo. And I was always hoping for more Hoshi and Travis, they had potential. I didn't always like Archer's decisions but maybe he had no other choice. Oh and I didn't like the uniforms
But the worst thing about ENT was it's finale, the last episode. Anyway, all in all ENT is a good and entertaining sience fiction show that was canceled too soon imo.
Same here. I know it has become the popar axiom in many fan circles that people will just hat the new thing and then come around to it years later. But it's just not always true.
My opinion on ENT has stayed largely the same: hate the characters, hate the storylines. Hate the show.
(love the uniforms)
I always liked it, way back when I first saw it (2008-9ish). Never understood the amount of flak it receives. It’s no better not worse than most other Trek shows.
I gave up on Enterprise's first season pretty early the first time around, despite all the hype I had going into it. I just found it incredibly tedious, and it didn't help that it's so dull to look at. I did come back to the show after people said that season 3 was getting good, and yeah they weren't lying. But I wasn't in a hurry to check out the 50 episodes I'd skipped.
A couple of years back I decided it was time to finally watch the whole show, only this time I'd watch it along with TOS, TNG and Voyager. I'd go through all the episode 1s, all the episode 2s, and so on. I figured this way I could judge the quality of Voyager and Enterprise fairly, and find out if they're really as bad as people at the time claimed.
I found Enterprise's first year to be extremely rough, with most episodes ending up dead last behind TNG and Voyager, while TOS topped the lists. The series hadn't grown on me at all, my opinion was entirely unchanged.
Enterprise season 2 had its highlights, but it felt like some of the enthusiasm had gone and the show was just treading water. It was more watchable for me than Voyager's second year, but you don't win prizes for doing better than Elogium, Threshold, Twisted, etc.
However by season 3 and 4 it had turned things around, and even started topping my lists from time to time. Azati Prime vs The Lights of Zetar, Allegiance and Darkling... there's an obvious winner there.
So according to my own subjective opinions:
A couple of years back I decided it was time to finally watch the whole show, only this time I'd watch it along with TOS, TNG and Voyager. I'd go through all the episode 1s, all the episode 2s, and so on. I figured this way I could judge the quality of Voyager and Enterprise fairly, and find out if they're really as bad as people at the time claimed.
I found Enterprise's first year to be extremely rough, with most episodes ending up dead last behind TNG and Voyager, while TOS topped the lists. The series hadn't grown on me at all, my opinion was entirely unchanged.
Enterprise season 2 had its highlights, but it felt like some of the enthusiasm had gone and the show was just treading water. It was more watchable for me than Voyager's second year, but you don't win prizes for doing better than Elogium, Threshold, Twisted, etc.
However by season 3 and 4 it had turned things around, and even started topping my lists from time to time. Azati Prime vs The Lights of Zetar, Allegiance and Darkling... there's an obvious winner there.
So according to my own subjective opinions:
- I don't like Enterprise any more or less than I did 20 years ago.
- It started off worse than most Trek shows.
- It got better.
- Voyager's actually roughly as good as TNG for the most part, and far better in season 7.
- Enterprise didn't get a season 7
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I've stanned for Enterprise for over 15 years.
On a rewatch I did last year up to mid S3, I found S1 middling but enjoyable, S2 was twice as many episodes it needed and needed a B-cast to support the main cast. IMO that's what held the stories back - it was all about the main cast when we needed at least 2-3 smaller roles to bounce off of.
S3 hit me hard and I'll quote myself:
Season 4 holds as good as it was then as it is now. I love the mini-arcs. Wish more shows did that.
On a rewatch I did last year up to mid S3, I found S1 middling but enjoyable, S2 was twice as many episodes it needed and needed a B-cast to support the main cast. IMO that's what held the stories back - it was all about the main cast when we needed at least 2-3 smaller roles to bounce off of.
S3 hit me hard and I'll quote myself:
Season 4 holds as good as it was then as it is now. I love the mini-arcs. Wish more shows did that.
I gotta say, this sounds like one of the most unique ways to watch Trek I‘ve ever heard of. Gotta give that a try at some point.
What a fantastically cool rewatch idea! Did you omit DS9 for any particular reason? (Just curious.)I gave up on Enterprise's first season pretty early the first time around, despite all the hype I had going into it. I just found it incredibly tedious, and it didn't help that it's so dull to look at. I did come back to the show after people said that season 3 was getting good, and yeah they weren't lying. But I wasn't in a hurry to check out the 50 episodes I'd skipped.
A couple of years back I decided it was time to finally watch the whole show, only this time I'd watch it along with TOS, TNG and Voyager. I'd go through all the episode 1s, all the episode 2s, and so on. I figured this way I could judge the quality of Voyager and Enterprise fairly, and find out if they're really as bad as people at the time claimed.
I found Enterprise's first year to be extremely rough, with most episodes ending up dead last behind TNG and Voyager, while TOS topped the lists. The series hadn't grown on me at all, my opinion was entirely unchanged.
Enterprise season 2 had its highlights, but it felt like some of the enthusiasm had gone and the show was just treading water. It was more watchable for me than Voyager's second year, but you don't win prizes for doing better than Elogium, Threshold, Twisted, etc.
However by season 3 and 4 it had turned things around, and even started topping my lists from time to time. Azati Prime vs The Lights of Zetar, Allegiance and Darkling... there's an obvious winner there.
So according to my own subjective opinions:
- I don't like Enterprise any more or less than I did 20 years ago.
- It started off worse than most Trek shows.
- It got better.
- Voyager's actually roughly as good as TNG for the most part, and far better in season 7.
- Enterprise didn't get a season 7
I'd just finished a DS9 rewatch so it was too soon to go through it all again. I totally would've included it otherwise though.
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