Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 5x05 - "Mirrors"

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I was confused about the "High Chancellor" thing, but then I realized that since he/she was killed for trying to make reforms, obviously it can't be another name for the Emperor. If it had been, the Chancellor could make whatever reforms he/she wished without fear of reprisal (the Emperor has pretty much absolute power). So the Chancellor must be a position subordinate to the Emperor.

Nah that was Time related not Universe.

The Discovery crew are all temporally displaced, yet nothing's happening to them...so it must be BOTH temporal and universal.

 

[Mr Awe]

Or, hear me out...An episode starring Owo and Detmer!!!! The actors have been absent so they could film it!

Those two on the ISS Enterprise having an adventure could be fun!

 

[cooleddie74]

Looks like Mirror Spock's reforms led to the Emperor being overthrown and a High Chancellor becoming the ruler of the Terran Empire. Unless there always WAS a High Chancellor much as Emperor Hirohito had Premier Hideki Tojo and other heads of the parliamentary government over which the Emperor reigned, both before and after World War II.

We already know from Intendant Kira that Spock's reforms changed the Terran Empire so much it became so weak that the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance took it down with relative ease. Mirror Saru's mutiny could have been connected to his universe's Spock starting to change things.

 

[Mr Awe]

But it didn't have to be the ISS Enterprise. Didn't the USS Peregrine (NCC-1549) as seen in SNW use the Enterprise sets? There are other starships of the era that use the same design elements This derelict could have been one of those.

Additionally, there was no need for the ship to be from the Mirror Universe (other than the desire to say it was the Enterprise).

Nah, I think there were other reasons and they've been discussed in this thread--namely Saru and Spock. I thought those were meaningful additions. And yeah, fan recognition and cost savings were factors too.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Those two on the ISS Enterprise having an adventure could be fun!

I still don't like the idea of the ISS Enterprise being anywhere NEAR in condition for use.

@cooleddie74, I suppose it could be possible that the High Chancellor was Spock, but I don't think it's the case. Again, assuming Spock had the Emperor eliminated and took the throne himself, he could make whatever reforms he wanted. I just like the idea that the Chancellor was a subordinate position and that it was the Emperor who had them killed.

Besides, the title was probably a wink-wink to V for Vendetta anyway.

 

[fireproof78]

We already know from Intendant Kira that Spock's reforms changed the Terran Empire so much it became so weak that the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance took it down with relative ease. Mirror Saru's mutiny could have been connected to his universe's Spock starting to change things.

I would expect so, yes. And the Emperor likely had several in their inner circle vying for power should the Emperor die. It was probably not an easy process.

 

[Yistaan]

I still don't like the idea of the ISS Enterprise being anywhere NEAR in condition for use.

@cooleddie74, I suppose it could be possible that the High Chancellor was Spock, but I don't think it's the case. Again, assuming Spock had the Emperor eliminated and took the throne himself, he could make whatever reforms he wanted. I just like the idea that the Chancellor was a subordinate position and that it was the Emperor who had them killed.

Besides, the title was probably a wink-wink to V for Vendetta anyway.

I think that ship already sailed with the USS Franklin in Star Trek Beyond? Or the USS Discovery itself in Short Treks Calypso after 1,000 years?

 

[Mr Awe]

I still don't like the idea of the ISS Enterprise being anywhere NEAR in condition for use.

@cooleddie74, I suppose it could be possible that the High Chancellor was Spock, but I don't think it's the case. Again, assuming Spock had the Emperor eliminated and took the throne himself, he couuld make whatever reforms he wanted. I just like the idea that the Chancellor was a subordinate position and that it was the Emperor who had them killed.

Besides, the title was probably a wink-wink to V for Vendetta anyway.

I'm ok with the ISS Enterprise being sort of functional for several reasons. It's very advanced technology for one and the scientists went back to it to hide the clue. They might've done "stuff" (you know, teching the tech) to keep it going for longer. I can easily buy that.

And, yes, I think we were supposed to figure that stuff out about Spock. I wish it was stated a little more clearly but obviously the ISS Enterprise wasn't helping refugees under Kirk.

I also think for reasons I've stated in my review that it'll come into play for additional reasons later this seasons. But we'll see about that.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I think that ship already sailed with the USS Franklin in Star Trek Beyond?

That had the advantage of Jaylah being aboard and constantly fixing its systems.

Or the USS Discovery itself in Short Treks Calypso after 1,000 years?

And in that case, Zora.

 

[fireproof78]

People forgetting TNG:
PICARD: I should hope not, Mister Data. That ship belongs in a museum. I'm afraid we're a little late. That call for help was probably initiated over a thousand years ago.

Captain's log, Stardate 43205.6. We have arrived at Orelious Nine, to chart the battle in which the Menthars and Promellians fought to their mutual extinction. Among the ruins we have found a relic, a Promellian battle cruiser that has withstood the centuries.

(Booby Trap)

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

For all we know, the Promellian ship WAS as deteriorated as a ship that old must be. All they could really do was play back the captain's log...and even that took some doing, IIRC.

(MY beef with that one was that the crew's corpses were still upright. Don't Promellians fall over when they die? )

Actually, I take back that bit about the High Chancellor possibly being Spock. Forget I ever said that. The Chancellor was killed for trying to make reforms. But we know, from DS9, that Spock's reforms SUCCEEDED. Therefore I don't see how they can be the same.

 

[Fateor]

I still don't like the idea of the ISS Enterprise being anywhere NEAR in condition for use.

There's the question of why they would even bother.

The amount of work that would be required to bring the hull up to modern standards can't be less then it would take to just spit out programmable matter and generate a new ship from scratch.

 

[fireproof78]

There's the question of why they would even bother.

The amount of work that would be required to bring the hull up to modern standards can't be less then it would take to just spit out programmable matter and generate a new ship from scratch.

People who like history would bother.

 

[cooleddie74]

For what it's worth I wasn't implying Spock BECAME the High Chancellor of the Empire, only that Spock's reforms may well have brought about that office's creation as the Empire democratized a little. But like I stated in that same post the High Chancellor could have already existed in the DSC Season 1 and 2 and TOS eras.

 

[Mr Awe]

I suspect we were supposed to read into it things like that about Spock.

 

[cooleddie74]

Looks like one man did indeed summon the future. Mirror Spock was a beast when it came to imposing his will after our Kirk returned home.

 

[Mr Awe]

That's the thing. If Kirk continued his upward trajectory as propelled by the Tantulus Field and his ruthlessness, no way would the reforms be enacted and the ISS Enterprise would not be ferrying refugees!

 

[cooleddie74]

Emperor Tiberius might have been that Empire's Stalin or even Hitler.

 

[evilchumlee]

Actually, I take back that bit about the High Chancellor possibly being Spock. Forget I ever said that. The Chancellor was killed for trying to make reforms. But we know, from DS9, that Spock's reforms SUCCEEDED. Therefore I don't see how they can be the same.

We tend to go a bit overboard on taking every single line super literal.

I don't think saying he got killed for "trying" to make reforms would be inaccurate for Spock having made reforms, getting killed, and then the Empire repealed the reforms. Thus, he tried.

 

[DarKush]

Just thinking this was a missed opportunity to have the ISS Enterprise-D in live-action, and maybe one or a few of the TNG Mirror characters.