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What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

yes, I know what I said

You’re not wrong though.

I mean, I rate Shatner highly as an actor anyway, but he’s on fire in TSFS. Much as with the eulogy in TWOK, in TSFS he allows moments of vulnerability (and humanity) to show through Kirk’s bluster.

Shatner is at his peak as Kirk in the Genesis-Spock trilogy.

Absolutely.
 
Controversial opinion - no Trek film/show/concept/wet dream has ever matched the stakes, emotional exhaustion, or exhilaration of watching Liverpool beat Chelsea in Jurgen's last year with us

If I had to relate Jurgen to a Trek captain - Sisko all day every day! Acts as a father figure, has worked in the darkest era for the league

I know this is an off topic one (and is a non sequiter to make certain people proud) but I'm floating on clouds and in my head right now it is funny

Apols to mods (and hungerover me tomorrow)
 
I think The Motion Picture is much, much better than it often gets credit for. But then I'm a huge fan of 2001: A Space Odyssey, so pretty spaceships investigating gigantic structures in space that are beyond the ken of mortal men are kind of my jam :shrug:

I also think that The Wrath of Khan is terribly overrated... :whistle:

I agree with what you said about TMP.

I disagree with what you said about TWOK, however.

(Also with you on 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY. :techman:)
 
Honestly, TMP is LIGHT YEARS better than both Abrams directed movies, NEMESIS, and INSURRECTION. Above GENERATIONS, too.

And this is truth.

I have spoken.

I wouldn’t place it above ST09, but it’s a better movie than any of the TNG ones, yes. Including First Contact.

Controversial Opinion - FC gets a lot of love, but I think it’s just as much of a turd as it’s three fellows.
 
This is just a fact.

TMP and TWOK are the indispensable duo. The are The Corbomite Maneuver and The Doomsday Machine.

"THE DOOMSDAY MACHINE" and "BALANCE OF TERROR" are my absolute favorites of TOS! ALWAYS a rewatch when they appear on tv.

(Funny coincidence... "THE DOOMSDAY MACHINE" was airing on PlutoTV late last night. Of course, this led to me rewatching it. :hugegrin:)
 
I wouldn’t place it above ST09, but it’s a better movie than any of the TNG ones, yes. Including First Contact.

Controversial Opinion - FC gets a lot of love, but I think it’s just as much of a turd as it’s three fellows.

Hmm... hmmmmmm. :shifty:

Well, we seem 'to reach' in most things, so I can't quite call you a 'Herbert'.

But damn... you're skating that line. :lol:


Farscape One - feeling intense irony that I am referencing a really terrible episode now.
 
TSFS deserves to be in the pantheon of good Trek movies solely on nothing more than Shatner's performace (yes, I know what I said) and "Stealing the Enterprise" by James Horner. And, of course, the destruction of the NCC-1701 herself.

The destruction of the NCC-1701 was seriously dramatic climactic and apoplectic. Shocking too.

Every show and movie after that featured the destruction of the main spaceship, but none caused such impact.

Great scene.

Also the balls of Harve Bennet: if the movie hadnt been lucrative, the studio wouldnt order a ST4 and the ending of the series would have been horrible: the Enterprise destroyed, Spock brain-damaged, Kirk and the gang's careers in Starfleet ruined, etc
 
Honestly, TMP is LIGHT YEARS better than both Abrams directed movies, NEMESIS, and INSURRECTION. Above GENERATIONS, too.

And this is truth.

I have spoken.
From a cinematic perspective I can give TMP an edge as it is the more epic film, especially after Spock's mind meld scene.

However, the character work early on handicaps investment.
I also think that The Wrath of Khan is terribly overrated... :whistle:
Yes, it is.
I wouldn’t place it above ST09, but it’s a better movie than any of the TNG ones, yes. Including First Contact.

Controversial Opinion - FC gets a lot of love, but I think it’s just as much of a turd as it’s three fellows.
Agreed.
 
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