Spoilers Canon, Continuity, and Pike's Accident

[Nerys Myk]

Whatever lets you sleep at night.

If you find making hyperbolic statements to be a sleep aid, go for it.

 

[Dukhat]

Ah yes, nice hyperbole.

I doubt anyone would defend that other than actual trolls. The Discovery Klingon change was nowhere as egregious as your example. It was no different than the change between TOS and TMP+

The Discovery Klingons were still humanoid, had ridges, sharp teeth, spoke the language had swords and still talked about Kahless and honour and still followed and added to, the lore the previous series laid out for them.

I’ll ignore your accusation there, just like I’m ignoring the guy above me.

 

[Tallguy]

That falls apart when you factor in the many scenes featuring Klingons where Michael was not present at all.

We are all Michael Burnham.

 

[Unimatrix Q]

Well, there is precedent. They changed L'Rell's makeup, didn't they? So what did she "really" look like?

Think as the head of a important klingon house, she and the other Klingons we saw in Discovery S2 may have gotten some advanced genetic cure, long before every Klingon in the Empire got it.

 

[Dukhat]

Think as the head of a important klingon house, she and the other Klingons we saw in Discovery S2 may have gotten some advanced genetic cure, long before every Klingon in the Empire got it.

But she didn't need a cure, because there was nothing wrong with her. As Serveaux stated earlier, she and all the other Klingons looked the way they did because the producers decided to change the look of the Klingon makeup, not for any in-universe reason. Once they realized that this new look wasn't working, they changed the Klingons back to how they looked in TNG. The augment virus from ENT was completely ignored here, just like any other in-universe reason they could have given for the change other than 'you just have to ignore the differences.'

 

[fireproof78]

Think as the head of a important klingon house, she and the other Klingons we saw in Discovery S2 may have gotten some advanced genetic cure, long before every Klingon in the Empire got it.

Maybe.

Or she just had cosmetic surgery.

The Klingons in TMP were more botched attempts.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Think as the head of a important klingon house, she and the other Klingons we saw in Discovery S2 may have gotten some advanced genetic cure, long before every Klingon in the Empire got it.

I'm down with that.

 

[Noname Given]

Well, there is precedent. They changed L'Rell's makeup, didn't they? So what did she "really" look like?

Ask the first Trill that appeared in TNG S4 The Host.

 

[Unimatrix Q]

Maybe.

Or she just had cosmetic surgery.

The Klingons in TMP were more botched attempts.

Think the changes are way too big for being explainable by surgery. That's why I think it was done by genetic restructuration.

 

[Unimatrix Q]

But she didn't need a cure, because there was nothing wrong with her. As Serveaux stated earlier, she and all the other Klingons looked the way they did because the producers decided to change the look of the Klingon makeup, not for any in-universe reason. Once they realized that this new look wasn't working, they changed the Klingons back to how they looked in TNG. The augment virus from ENT was completely ignored here, just like any other in-universe reason they could have given for the change other than 'you just have to ignore the differences.'

Yeah, I suspect something like that.

But I was looking at the issue from an in-universe perspective.

 

[Tuskin38]

Not everything needs an in-universe explanation

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Not everything needs an in-universe explanation

Seriously.

 

[Campe]

In universe explanations are why we have Enterprise's "Affliction" and "Divergence," when the handwaving in "Trials and Tribble-ations" was not only sufficient, but also hilarious.

 

[fireproof78]

Think the changes are way too big for being explainable by surgery. That's why I think it was done by genetic restructuration.

This is in a universe were being surgically altered to look like another alien is used as an espionage tactic.

Surgery sufficiently explains. Mileage will vary.

 

[Tuskin38]

Pretending Klingons always had ridges makes Arne Darvin make more sense.

 

[Tallguy]

Pretending Klingons always had ridges makes Arne Darvin make more sense.

Well... They're ALL pretending Klingons.

 

[Dukhat]

Pretending Klingons always had ridges makes Arne Darvin make more sense.

It made even more sense in TOS, where the Klingons looked not all that different from humans.

 

[Tuskin38]

It made even more sense in TOS, where the Klingons looked not all that different from humans.

it really didn't.

 

[Dukhat]

it really didn't.

Please explain why.

 

[Noname Given]

Please explain why.

You first.