she hasn’t. She may have a condition that gives similar symptoms, but there is no indication of what it is or that it is terminal.
Spoilers Star Trek: Lower Decks 4x05 - "Empathalogical Fallacies"
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Even if she actually does have Bendii Syndrome, when is it explicitly said to be a terminal disease? Sarek was already two hundred when he died. Bendii may possibly have contributed to his death, but I don't recall anyone saying that it's what caused it. As always though, very possible I missed something obvious!
I wanted to initialize Bendii Syndrome but 'BS' just ain't gonna work.
If I remember correctly, it was mentioned in "Sarek" that he was retiring relatively early for a Vulcan, which I think he was 202 at that time. That leads me to conclude Vulcans probably live to be around 230-250 years old, give or take. Bendii Syndrome almost certainly contributed to his death.
This was a fantastic episode!
A T'Lyn focused episode was going to be a win, and this definitely did not disappoint. I was not expecting her to be the cause, but it made sense given what we know of Bendii Syndrome from "Sarek".
Mariner's talk with T'Lyn was superb. "I'm Vulcan as a mother-." I almost spit out my drink when I heard that. Love her addition to the crew.
Shaxs is just awesome, too. He has a great philosophy of looking out for his crew. His security force is definitely among the most effective in ST.
Kayshon doing Charades was hilarious.
A lot of comedy and a lot of heart... exactly why LOWER DECKS is so awesome. I gave this a 10.
This was a fantastic episode!
A T'Lyn focused episode was going to be a win, and this definitely did not disappoint. I was not expecting her to be the cause, but it made sense given what we know of Bendii Syndrome from "Sarek".
Mariner's talk with T'Lyn was superb. "I'm Vulcan as a mother-." I almost spit out my drink when I heard that. Love her addition to the crew.
Shaxs is just awesome, too. He has a great philosophy of looking out for his crew. His security force is definitely among the most effective in ST.
Kayshon doing Charades was hilarious.
A lot of comedy and a lot of heart... exactly why LOWER DECKS is so awesome. I gave this a 10.
They don't say anything about it being early. They simply say that he is retiring.
Brilliant episode. I've watched it three times already!
It's a good thing the existing character on this show are so strong, because otherwise T'Lyn would Seven Of Nine the whole thing. She is incredible. One of my favorite Trek characters of all-time.
I also relate to her waaaaaaaaaaaay too much.
"I suppose, by the transitive property, I too must be Vulcan as a motherfucker."
Also, the ep features one of the female Betazoids surprising Ransom by pushing an object into his ass, as a pick-up move. (When you need to flag the two men kissing, but surprise hetero assplay doesn't warrant a mention...
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Brilliant casting all around on those three, I thought. Oh, let's bring them into live action! That trio could honestly support a full sitcom.
It's a good thing the existing character on this show are so strong, because otherwise T'Lyn would Seven Of Nine the whole thing. She is incredible. One of my favorite Trek characters of all-time.
I also relate to her waaaaaaaaaaaay too much.
"I suppose, by the transitive property, I too must be Vulcan as a motherfucker."
Thank you for providing a happy update to what had been a VERY depressing discussion!
Also, the ep features one of the female Betazoids surprising Ransom by pushing an object into his ass, as a pick-up move. (When you need to flag the two men kissing, but surprise hetero assplay doesn't warrant a mention...
)I know others already provided the names of Wendie Malick and Rachel Dratch, but I don't think anyone mentioned the third was Janelle James (Principal Ava from "Abbott Elementary").
Brilliant casting all around on those three, I thought. Oh, let's bring them into live action! That trio could honestly support a full sitcom.
This is some A+ fanwanking, I am impressed. It's going into my head canon. I really need T'Lyn to be healthy!
Destructor, I applaud your efforts to give your daughter freedom of choice while still screening what she is exposed to media-wise so that she's not viewing anything age inappropriate.
However, as we see with this week's reviews, what one person feels is appropriate another rejects wholesale. Opinions can get heated and assumptions are made.
May I make a suggestion? Instead of looking to this Motley Crew to offer advice on whether we/they feel a particular episode is age-appropriate for your child (whom none of us really know), have you considered using the tools at your disposal?
Each week it seems screen caps become available for review. Looking these over might help you see what is depicted in the episode, then you can make an informed decision as to what visuals your child will be exposed to watching this episode. Nudity, blood, violence, sex, etc... should be easy to spot for review. Combine that with comments here and you might get a feel for the episode without asking for the varying and sometimes contradictory opinions on episode morality from this brain trust.
You don't seem to worried about spoilers, since you read the forum comments prior to watching the episode now.
Just a thought. Thanks for all your input here. Live long and prosper.
Angel One and the Justice planet have been 2 surprising omissions.
Omitting them is better than trying to make those odd episodes fit. Might as well say "Code of Honor " is an odd omission.
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Lower Decks has thrived with a project of picking up wacky details from the past (that all the other shows would ignore), and somehow actually making them work in a modern Star Trek way.
But they (correctly, in my view) haven't made it a project to pick up the racist or otherwise retrograde eps from the past, and try to fix them.
That's why I would love a return to "Angel One" or "Justice", but "Code Of Honor" is in a distinctly different category.
But they (correctly, in my view) haven't made it a project to pick up the racist or otherwise retrograde eps from the past, and try to fix them.
That's why I would love a return to "Angel One" or "Justice", but "Code Of Honor" is in a distinctly different category.
"Justice" is just as racist and problematic as "Code of Honor." They are in the same category for me.
"Angel One" is debatable but I don't hold it in high esteem.
"Angel One" is debatable but I don't hold it in high esteem.
Also, the ep features one of the female Betazoids surprising Ransom by pushing an object into his ass, as a pick-up move. (When you need to flag the two men kissing, but surprise hetero assplay doesn't warrant a mention...
that was my thought as well - I wouldn’t show it to my kid because of that sexual scene, not because two guys were kissing.
I enjoyed the episode, but not as strong as the previous eps. Still good solid Trek! I just wish there would be some resolution to Jennifer/Mariner relationship- it’s just kind of hanging there, and I hope they give us something following up on that
My theory is that If T'Lyn hadn't resolved her emotional crisis with her former crew, she Would have manifested full-blown Bendii syndrome later in life.
I conjecture that Bendii syndrome could be triggered by a Vulcan being unable to resolve their emotions over a situation, and only tries to suppress their emotions.
Ambassador Sarek may have had Bendii Syndrome as a result of his strained relationship with his remaining son plus the death of Amanda.
I conjecture that Bendii syndrome could be triggered by a Vulcan being unable to resolve their emotions over a situation, and only tries to suppress their emotions.
Ambassador Sarek may have had Bendii Syndrome as a result of his strained relationship with his remaining son plus the death of Amanda.
Helmsman of the NX-01.
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Oh, sorry. Whenever anyone asks "who?" I just automatically assume...
I have always wondered why people assume that Sarek was particularly elderly for a Vulcan. He died, at 203, with the implication that Bendii Syndrome was a major factor. As humans are apparently capable of making it to around 140 years, it makes the human and Vulcan life-span difference overstated if it's only 60 years. Maybe I am misremembering and there hasn't actually been reference to the "short lives" of humans with regards to Vulcans. Mark Lenard was in his late 60s when he played Sarek in "Unification", when Sarek died (off-camera) and at least to me doesn't look extremely elderly.
I get it's complicated by Spock's depiction in TOS, as Leonard Nimoy was actually human and so doesn't age as slowly as Vulcans, so he looked middle aged in his 40s, 50s, and 130s, and then elderly in his 150s. Tuvok looked like just past prime in his 110s, and then elderly in his 130s-140s. T'Pol was in her prime in her 60s, but then the future version of her looked downright decrepit in her 190s. I always thought T'Pol could have made it to the TNG era. Very old, but like Picard on Picard. If I were to choose an average lifespan for a Vulcan it would be around 275 years, with some making it to 300.
In the last Trek novel I read, a 130-ish Saavik was referred to as elderly, even though Tuvok has (as far as I know) never been referred to as elderly, even though they were both born in the 2250s/2260s. The perception of Vulcan aging is all over the place.
I get it's complicated by Spock's depiction in TOS, as Leonard Nimoy was actually human and so doesn't age as slowly as Vulcans, so he looked middle aged in his 40s, 50s, and 130s, and then elderly in his 150s. Tuvok looked like just past prime in his 110s, and then elderly in his 130s-140s. T'Pol was in her prime in her 60s, but then the future version of her looked downright decrepit in her 190s. I always thought T'Pol could have made it to the TNG era. Very old, but like Picard on Picard. If I were to choose an average lifespan for a Vulcan it would be around 275 years, with some making it to 300.
In the last Trek novel I read, a 130-ish Saavik was referred to as elderly, even though Tuvok has (as far as I know) never been referred to as elderly, even though they were both born in the 2250s/2260s. The perception of Vulcan aging is all over the place.
No other point of reference?
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