Spoilers Star Trek: Lower Decks 4x05 - "Empathalogical Fallacies"

[Tuskin38]

Tendi has been shown to have zero interest in anyone sexually (though she might be interested in Rutherford romantically).

Someone pointed out that she called someone a snack in a previous episode.
I'm not sure which one.

 

[firehawk12]

I really enjoyed this episode.

Whoever cast Wendie Malick is a freaking genius though. She's the perfect Lwaxanna Troi-copy. lol

 

[Destructor]

We should simply ask @Destructor what their 'values' are, and to better define what they find appropriate or not.

Thanks for the heads-up, everyone! I apologize for turning the review thread into a debate thread!

My daughter has seen same-sex kissing in her media before, it's in She-ra, Kipo, Korra- pretty common in kid's media these days, and as many have said as parents we try not to differentiate it from heterosexual kissing, which is also pretty common in kids media (Avatar, Miraculous, Prodigy). However nudity and 'orgies' are something we keep an eye out for, so we'll watch this one separately without her and make a judgment call on it (we normally watch it all together, after I've got a read from the forum).

Thanks to everyone who pitched in, it really is helpful.

 

[Amaris]

T'Lyn is such a terrific foil for the rest of the crew, and I stand by my assertion that she is an out of control party animal.
Lots of great moments in this episode, and I'm sorry, but Tendi with the Kawaii face just about gave me a heart attack.

This one:

 

[Fateor]

Boimler was initially shown as being a horny geek in Season 1, but they completely undercut this by Season 3, with his showing no interest in hot women throwing themselves at him, and having his "fantasies come to life" be completely non-sexual.

Hot women who worked for his family.

I highly suspect his lack of interest was connected to that fact given how rule focused he is.

Rutherford has been interested in dating Barnes, though that kinda went nowhere, and he's been increasingly portrayed as more child-like here.

His fantasyrock was Leah Brahms, and involved thick enough euphemisms you could cut them with a cake.

Tendi has been shown to have zero interest in anyone sexually (though she might be interested in Rutherford romantically).

People keep forgetting O'Conner...

 

[ToddCam]

Thanks for the heads-up, everyone! I apologize for turning the review thread into a debate thread!

My daughter has seen same-sex kissing in her media before, it's in She-ra, Kipo, Korra- pretty common in kid's media these days, and as many have said as parents we try not to differentiate it from heterosexual kissing, which is also pretty common in kids media (Avatar, Miraculous, Prodigy). However nudity and 'orgies' are something we keep an eye out for, so we'll watch this one separately without her and make a judgment call on it (we normally watch it all together, after I've got a read from the forum).


Thanks to everyone who pitched in, it really is helpful.

Well, hopefully this means anyone responding to a future request for assessment for Destructor's child will leave out the genders/sexes of the characters kissing since they now know it is a non-issue.

Also, there's no orgy.

 

[Paul755]

Good stuff this week. Shame T’Lyn has a terminal disease though. The Security team stuff and T’Ana wanting to eat the Betazoids were pretty funny too.

I liked the episode but I’d probably rank this one the lowest of the season so far.

oh, I did get a kick out of the disappointed Romulans too. That was a great little bit.

7/10

 

[Kaelef]

I find myself really liking the Mariner-Tendi-T’Lyn interactions, so this episode gets high marks again. Generally, I also appreciate how much more the characters are looking out for each other than they did in the earlier seasons. And I maintain curious where they're going to go with the killer starship mystery.

 

[Sci]

I've always been a Tendi/Rutherford shipper, but I think it's 100% legit to interpret Tendi as having feelings for T'Lynn.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Tendi hearts science.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Salute to "Star Trek - The Motion Picture: The Director's Edition" in "Lower Decks" by Ian McLean, on Flickr

 

[Tosk]

Vulcan chocolate reference! That's from one of the old movie novelisations IIRC, which implied chocolate has the same effect on Vulcans as alcohol on humans. Deep cut.

There's no reference to chocolate at all in any of them according to my search. It's fanon as far as I can see. There are multiple instances of people saying that Quark offers "port or chocolate" to a Vulcan in The Maquis, but it's complete bunk presumably based on someone's shitty memory. He offers port in The Maquis, and in Necessary Evil he offers a drink, and then chocolate...but it was to Odo.

I predict this will be one of those things that was misreported, then taken up and implied as fact by LDS, thus becoming fact after the fact. Pun intended.

 

[F. King Daniel]

There's no reference to chocolate at all in any of them according to my search. It's fanon as far as I can see. There are multiple instances of people saying that Quark offers "port or chocolate" to a Vulcan in The Maquis, but it's complete bunk presumably based on someone's shitty memory. He offers port in The Maquis, and in Necessary Evil he offers a drink, and then chocolate...but it was to Odo.

I predict this will be one of those things that was misreported, then taken up and implied as fact by LDS, thus becoming fact after the fact. Pun intended.

Apparently it's the Star Trek IV novel, and the reason Spock jumps into the whale tank, because he's a little tipsy.

 

[Tosk]

Apparently it's the Star Trek IV novel, and the reason Spock jumps into the whale tank, because he's a little tipsy.

The word chocolate doesn't appear in the novelization. I'll read the scene and see what's up.

Edit: Kirk gives Spock a mint wafer. Later, Spock specifically claims that it is the sucrose that affected him.

 

[Charles Phipps]

I've always been a Tendi/Rutherford shipper, but I think it's 100% legit to interpret Tendi as having feelings for T'Lynn.

I see no reason not to have normalized polyamory in the future!

The Denobulan way!

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

I see no reason not to have normalized polyamory in the future!

As long as everybody in the poly-amorous marriage agrees to all the members of the poly-amorous marriage, I see no reason to block it.

Freedom for all to Love & Marry as they see fit, as long as everybody willingly agrees & signs on the dotted line of the marriage certificates.

 

[Charles Phipps]

As long as everybody in the poly-amorous marriage agrees to all the members of the poly-amorous marriage, I see no reason to block it.

Freedom for all to Love & Marry as they see fit, as long as everybody willingly agrees & signs on the dotted line of the marriage certificates.

As Doctor Phlox said to Trip when he was weirded out by the former's wife hitting him on him. "Well, your loss."

 

[jackoverfull]

I'm curious to know whether the episodes this season are somehow aired out of order, because the scene in the end with T’Lyn reluctantly allowing Mariner to embrace her makes the episode seem like it actually was meant to air before last week’s episode, where she already let Tendi hug her and Mariner without seemingly giving it a second thought. She also mentions in this episode that she would remain on the Cerritos to study the crew, then in last week’s episode she studied Tendi and the Orion homeworld. I dunno, just feels to me like they were meant to air the other way around.

had the same feeling.

 

[F. King Daniel]

The word chocolate doesn't appear in the novelization. I'll read the scene and see what's up.

Edit: Kirk gives Spock a mint wafer. Later, Spock specifically claims that it is the sucrose that affected him.

Ahhh, so it hopped from general sucrose to Chocolate (loaded with sucrose) and ran around fandom like that. Fascinating.

 

[Tosk]

I'm curious to know whether the episodes this season are somehow aired out of order

For what it's worth (it's certainly not proof) the episodes apparently do align with production order.

Ahhh, so it hopped from general sucrose to Chocolate (loaded with sucrose) and ran around fandom like that. Fascinating.

That's not to say that it's not said in some other tie-in material of course. But not the two most-oft quoted sources.