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Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x10 - "Hegemony"

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I just realized I haven't been paying that close attention. (or forgot)

Do the creatures actually deposit eggs into the host or do they inject a serum of some kind that causes the eggs to form?

And if they are being deposited, is it an oral or rectal insertion?
Or is it by cutting the body open then healing it.

Does a serum injection react with the hosts system as some kind of a sperm function?

Inquiring minds want to know?

Sperm fertilizes eggs.

Sperm by itself, doesn't do much.

There's hundreds of tiny fertilized eggs in every cup of saliva these Gorn generate that transfers into their surrogate victims when they bite.

(Pick one.)

1. All the Gorn we have seen are Girls, but there's a few Gorn boys running around fertilizing eggs inside all the one hour old killer babies during combat missions.

2. Just larger than microscopic Gorn inside a host surrogate victim, meet and mate so that hours later when they become macro, the girls have pregnant smiles, and the boys have been churned into poo.

3. Fertility is triggered by a hormon release in the opposite gender, like with dogs, which implies a mating season, or a tiny window where they are fertile periodically. Science could fake this by dumping chemicals in the strike zone.

4. Self fertilizing hermaphrodites.

5. One day old boys and girls on the battlefield fertilizing eggs and laying eggs in hosts, as they highlander each other for dominance. Maybe the baby males are supposed to be the hosts? The men all die in child birth. Men are not part of adult Gorn society.

6. Born with prefertilized egg sacks, similar to tribbles. The Gorn and the Tribble might even be from the same planet as one species is endless prey and the other is unnumberabled predators. Equilibrium.

7. Gorn can only make babies for their first week of life. Later in life, for the next 4 hundred years maybe, Reptiles live a while? Later on in life, the adults job is to make sure that they co-ordinate the children to guarantee the perpetuation of the species. Their entire society might be thousands of adults looking after billions of children.

8. Genetic memory like the Goul'd. They might even take on memories of the host too, like the Magog from Andromeda, which makes it less fuc%ed up sending children into a battlezone to get pregnant, and die.

9. These Gorn are assholes who believe in a purist authentic classic experience, even though modern technology has taken all the thrill and carnage out of mating, which would make these breeding swarms highly illegal inside Gorn space. Therefore the demarcation line we saw might be inverted. The Federation is safe inside Gorn Space unknowingly protected by a effete modern Gorn system of etiquette and law, meanwhile the other side of the line is interstellar space, where anything goes.

10. Class warfare. These Gorn have been bred to be disposable moron killer dogs. Genetically engineered if not socially conditioned to be a fraction as intelligent but very happy with their lot, just like in Brave New World or Mote in the Eye of God. Higher classes of Gorn breed less destructively, and don't expect to die immediately during procreation, and learn how to read, and build space ships instead of fighting aliens the moment they are born.
 
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If we're right and they did eventually figure out a most-comfortable coexistence for both Federation and Gorn there, then...yeah. Extreme persistence in learning new things, and making the most of that learning.

Old humans, or humans with a terminal condition might volunteer to be surrogates for Gorn infestation... Similar to how the Humans welcome symbiosis with the Tokra in Stargate.
 
These Gorn,,,believe in a purist authentic classic experience, even though modern technology has taken all the thrill and carnage out of mating, which would make these breeding swarms highly illegal inside Gorn space.

That's kinda brilliant, I could go with that.
 
I watched very late at night the first time. But I still confused when he told them to beam up the survivors and I went wait, didn't they already...? Then, oh fuck.

There was a visual clue that those on the people were not rescued by the Enterprise.

Right before Pike, Batel, and Scotty are beamed to sickbay, the people on the planet were beamed up... but the color was only slightly off. The two beamings were cut so close together that you can see the difference between them. A nice example of how to make visual effects being used to augment the story rather than be the point of a story.

Kudos to the VFX people and editors for this.
 
My first inclination is to wait for the second half of the story before grading them both. Right now, I would give this episode my lowest score of the season—a 6 or less—for its contrivances, deus ex machina moments and plot armour silliness. So I'll wait. Hopefully the poll will still be open in two years.:censored:
But, I did like this Scotty better than Pegg's take and I find the possible routes that SNW's take on the Gorn could go to be,well, fascinating. They have the potential to be one of the most subtle and sophisticated takes on aliens to ever to appear on Star Trek.
If TPTB can pull it off.
 
That planet didn't really seem to be a cold one.
Considering all the sagebrush and desert rocks around.

I also don't think the Metrons would have given either side that big of an advantage.

I think the Metrons scanned both ships, figured the fight was about Cestus III and put both combatants in a similar environment as the place they were fighting over. I remember in Star Trek: Enterprise In a Mirror, Darkly where the adult Gorn liked it hot.
 
There is a subset of the fanbase with a bizarre fixation/belief that any references to the past are bad because it demonstrates a lack of innovation or creativity and it's "relying on nostalgia," which is automatically bad because.....well, they dont' feel it or care about so one else should. Then they say "it's fine in small doses/when it's done well/not the central focus, etc." but then complain in a case like this where a legacy character just shows up. The plot doesn't revolve around it, there really aren't any weird gymnastics involved, he just is there. It could have been any character, but there is a plausible case that it could be Scotty, so that's who they used. Then, the criticism is "small universe syndrome!" but that fails to consider the business case, which is that studios want to build buzz and the return of a beloved legacy character is a great way to do that. Then, they say "but then the audience will never grow!!!" but forget they're watching a prequel show with a bunch of characters from 1966 or whatever, with a predetermined general path for the setting/universe and the characters in it, so what do you expect? Then they say, "hey, I'm allowed my opinions, IDIC, right? Also you're wrong." And around and around we go..........
So they are not relying on nostalgia but the studios are using legacy characters to create a "buzz"
Also of course you think something is bad "if you don't feel or care for it". That makes perfect sense.
 
I think the Metrons scanned both ships, figured the fight was about Cestus III and put both combatants in a similar environment as the place they were fighting over. I remember in Star Trek: Enterprise In a Mirror, Darkly where the adult Gorn liked it hot.

Yep. The blue-skinned alien working as slave labor for the Mirror Tholians told Mirror Archer that the Gorn like it where it's really warm, so the Engineering section and Jefferies tubes connected with it were his most likely hiding places.
 
The CGI is almost 20 years old at this point but here's what a faster, more dinosaur-like Gorn was like in Berman Trek.

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I remember being on the edge of my seat at the end of The Doomsday Machine. Maybe THIS would be the episode where Kirk would die.
I don’t really worry about plot-armor, here are the number of “main” characters killed in the first 57 years.
  • Tasha Yar
  • Jadzia Dax
  • Doctor Culber (he got better)
Plus, Rand and Kes were written off, but reappeared later.

So pretty much everyone has plot-armor.
 
Great spot by Jörg. The Binocular UI is inspired by ST5
https://twitter.com/gaghyogi49/status/1690453102728450048
"We've seen many binoculars and the respective view through them over the course of 55+ years of #StarTrek, each time looking different, so I'm pretty sure that the view seen in #StarTrekSNW's "Hegemony"⬆️ is based on the binoculars from "Star Trek V: The Final Frontier"⬇️. :-)"
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T'PRILL: Your decisive lack of action will get your crew killed. You would rather run away on your horse. You couldn't Captain a wheelbarrow, let alone the flagship of Starfleet. You are a weak, pathetic excuse for a human. And your dishes are inedible.

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PIKE: You know, I don't like you. Get out of my head. Number One? Target the colony with a photon torpedo and destroy it. Tag the Gorn ships. Take us to Federation space and hold our position. Nyota? Hail the Orion Syndicate. See what data they have on the Gorn. We're going to buy our people back if we have to. Remember, they're going to be making efforts to contact us or escape. We're not giving up on them. Spock? See if you can locate Captain Angel. I'll make a deal with the Devil if I have to...
 
I don’t really worry about plot-armor, here are the number of “main” characters killed in the first 57 years.
  • Tasha Yar
  • Jadzia Dax
  • Doctor Culber (he got better)
Plus, Rand and Kes were written off, but reappeared later.

So pretty much everyone has plot-armor.
Was Culber intended to stay dead?

You forgot:
  • Spock (he got better)
  • Kirk (James)
  • Shaxs (he got better)
But yes. Plot armor, indeed.
 
Was Culber intended to stay dead?

You forgot:
  • Spock (he got better)
  • Kirk (James)
  • Shaxs (he got better)
But yes. Plot armor, indeed.
I can’t believe I forgot Shaxs!

I was discounting movies and series ending deaths/disappearances, since by the nature of those higher stakes are allowed, versus characters in the opening credits on a weekly show.

With regard to Culber… I can’t remember. I think he was probably supposed to stay dead, but there was a lot of “bury your gays” backlash that may have caused the production to reverse that decision.
 
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