Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x08 - "Under the Cloak of War"

[Farscape One]

Still going to follow what the writers have said .

I have not seen those interviews. Even still, going by what is on screen, does it really justify a person, on a 'redemption path' or not, to keep hounding a war traumatized person after being asked (and pleaded) to leave mulriple times?

The answer is no.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Sure, he was justified in being furious. But that doesn’t justify killing.

Exactly!

 

[TRON JA307020]

I have not seen those interviews. Even still, going by what is on screen, does it really justify a person, on a 'redemption path' or not, to keep hounding a war traumatized person after being asked (and pleaded) to leave mulriple times?

The answer is no.

Dude no one deserves to be stabbed just for hounding someone. Lol

 

[Farscape One]

Dude no one deserves to be stabbed just for hounding someone. Lol

Dude, he didn't get stabbed just for harassing M'Benga. As myself and other people have already said. I got tired of this dance with one person, and I'm not going to do it with you. Reread my posts, or just rewatch the scene again and look at where both people and the knife are located in that room.

Dak'Rah was harassing M'Benga. He shouldn't have been there in the first place. Why are you defending that behavior?

 

[Amaris]

Dude, he didn't get stabbed just for harassing M'Benga. As myself and other people have already said. I got tired of this dance with one person, and I'm not going to do it with you. Reread my posts, or just rewatch the scene again and look at where both people and the knife are located in that room.

Dak'Rah was harassing M'Benga. He shouldn't have been there in the first place. Why are you defending that behavior?

It's probably best if you ignore posts like that. They're only going to rehash what you spent pages explaining. Let them go back and read it.

 

[penguin44]

I thought it was a struggle and the Kling took the knife, the doc tried to get it back. The general took his own life. His hand was on the knife as he fell. He couldn't live with the dishonour. That's how I saw it.

 

[fireproof78]

Dak'Rah was harassing M'Benga. He shouldn't have been there in the first place. Why are you defending that behavior?

At the risk of playing devil's advocate, I don't think it's defending the behavior, so much as thinking M'Benga is strongly in the wrong and should suffer some measure of consequence for that behavior. This episode is cutting across multiple personal values for a lot of people here and it's interesting to see the reactions. More interesting to me is the idea that M'Benga must suffer.

 

[cooleddie74]

And the best part of this whole thing is that unless the producers decide to show us what really happened behind that frosted partition in a flashback sequence then we can see it exactly how we want it and we're not necessarily wrong in our individual take on the incident.

 

[Farscape One]

It's probably best if you ignore posts like that. They're only going to rehash what you spent pages explaining. Let them go back and read it.

You're probably right. Perhaps rereading them again might actually spark some glimmer of understanding the words.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Dude, he didn't get stabbed just for harassing M'Benga. As myself and other people have already said. I got tired of this dance with one person, and I'm not going to do it with you. Reread my posts, or just rewatch the scene again and look at where both people and the knife are located in that room.

Dak'Rah was harassing M'Benga. He shouldn't have been there in the first place. Why are you defending that behavior?

Dude M'Benga did the fight exercise and was previously engaging with him and talking. If M'Benga did stab him he was wrong. He stabbed a visiting ambassador aboard the flagship of the Federation. There is no excuse for that kind of behavior. Pike was obviously upset and for good reason. M'benga is not the captain.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Still going to follow what the writers have said .

Where is this interview?

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

And why should we care? If it's not onscreen, it didn't happen. Simple as that.

And it seems pretty obvious that Dak'Rah wasn't really looking for redemption. If he did, he would have flat out admitted that he didn't kill his own men. But he never did come clean. Therefore he could NOT possibly have been genuine.

Side note: Somebody probably already brought this up but I caught the shout-out to LD about manually stimulationg someone's heart to get it beating again!

 

[Turtletrekker]

If I understand Klingon philosophy correctly, whether intentionally or not, M'Benga gave Rah an honorable death and acceptance into Sto-Vo-Kor. Maybe that's what Rah wanted all along.

 

[Captain Jollydark]

At the risk of playing devil's advocate, I don't think it's defending the behavior, so much as thinking M'Benga is strongly in the wrong and should suffer some measure of consequence for that behavior. This episode is cutting across multiple personal values for a lot of people here and it's interesting to see the reactions. More interesting to me is the idea that M'Benga must suffer.

That's what's pissing me off most. Not that it is or isn't a crime but that M'Benga needs to be punished, imprisoned, lose his commission, be discharged dishonorably etc. because he's somehow a worse criminal than the guy who ordered the slaughter of civilians and claims to have killed his own men because they followed those orders. WTF?

 

[Farscape One]

At the risk of playing devil's advocate, I don't think it's defending the behavior, so much as thinking M'Benga is strongly in the wrong and should suffer some measure of consequence for that behavior. This episode is cutting across multiple personal values for a lot of people here and it's interesting to see the reactions. More interesting to me is the idea that M'Benga must suffer.

Perhaps that's true. But just casually saying 'he didn't need to be stabbed for harassment' undermines everyone who has been harassed or bullied and comes off as just giving him a pass for such behavior, particularly from a person in power/authority.

(And for context on why I feel as strongly as I do, I have been bullied quite often in the past AND have been backed into a corner with no exit and have had to defend myself.)

 

[cooleddie74]

I sure wouldn't see him as worse than Rah even if he outright murdered that Klingon in cold blood and smiled afterwards.

 

[Farscape One]

That's what's pissing me off most. Not that it is or isn't a crime but that M'Benga needs to be punished, imprisoned, lose his commission, be discharged dishonorably etc. because he's somehow a worse criminal than the guy who ordered the slaughter of civilians and claims to have killed his own men because they followed those orders. WTF?

Couldn't have said it better. Precisely!

 

[Nerys Myk]

And why should we care? If it's not onscreen, it didn't happen. Simple as that.

And it seems pretty obvious that Dak'Rah wasn't really looking for redemption. If he did, he would have flat out admitted that he didn't kill his own men. But he never did come clean. Therefore he could NOT possibly have been genuine.

Side note: Somebody probably already brought this up but I caught the shout-out to LD about manually stimulationg someone's heart to get it beating again!

Thought it was a shout to "meatball surgery" as seen on MASH and countless other medical shows.

 

[fireproof78]

That's what's pissing me off most. Not that it is or isn't a crime but that M'Benga needs to be punished, imprisoned, lose his commission, be discharged dishonorably etc. because he's somehow a worse criminal than the guy who ordered the slaughter of civilians and claims to have killed his own men because they followed those orders. WTF?

I agree and it bothers me a lot more, especially how quickly this Klingon is given a pass on behaviors, just like Klingons usually are. It's ok if they are slaughtering or enslaving but if the Federation does it, or the heroes, then they must pay. That's the attitude I see.

It's aggravating but it's one I've seen often enough that I can see why people argue it. I don't agree because in my opinion it starts to smack of a double standard, never mind what has been shown in Trek before.

Perhaps that's true. But just casually saying 'he didn't need to be stabbed for harassment' undermines everyone who has been harassed or bullied and comes off as just giving him a pass for such behavior, particularly from a person in power/authority.

(And for context on why I feel as strongly as I do, I have been bullied quite often in the past AND have been backed into a corner with no exit and have had to defend myself.)

I'm truly sorry that happened to you. Unfortunately, harassment is a word that has lost a little bit of its edge. It has come to just mean "some one who is bothering me" and not actually problematic, threatening behavior.

To clarify perhaps a term like "belligerent" or "aggressive" would be better than harassing because of how people take it?

 

[Farscape One]

I agree and it bothers me a lot more, especially how quickly this Klingon is given a pass on behaviors, just like Klingons usually are. It's ok if they are slaughtering or enslaving but if the Federation does it, or the heroes, then they must pay. That's the attitude I see.

It's aggravating but it's one I've seen often enough that I can see why people argue it. I don't agree because in my opinion it starts to smack of a double standard, never mind what has been shown in Trek before.

I'm truly sorry that happened to you. Unfortunately, harassment is a word that has lost a little bit of its edge. It has come to just mean "some one who is bothering me" and not actually problematic, threatening behavior.

To clarify perhaps a term like "belligerent" or "aggressive" would be better than harassing because of how people take it?

Regarding that double standard... I agree, that's just wrong.

Also, I appreciate the sympathy, but I was only trying to put into context why my feelings on this are so high.

And regarding harassment...

harass
[ huh-ras, har-uhs ]
See synonyms for: harassharassedharassingharasser on Thesaurus.com
verb (used with object)

1. 
   
   to disturb or bother persistently; torment, as with troubles or cares; pester:

No. Dak'Rah fits the definition of harassing exactly here. He was asked and pleaded with multiple times to leave. While in some cases I agree that harassment has lost some meaning with its use, this definitely isn't one of them.