The only person Seven kills is Bjayzl. Everyone else, she just stuns.
And Bjayzl deserved it.
Besides, this occurred outside Federation territory, so it's none of Starfleet's business anyway.
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Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x08 - "Under the Cloak of War"
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The only person Seven kills is Bjayzl. Everyone else, she just stuns.
And Bjayzl deserved it.
Besides, this occurred outside Federation territory, so it's none of Starfleet's business anyway.
Nah. There were hours between that drink and the incident. A sparring match and a course correction took place. We weren’t given any indication that M’Benga or Chapel were drunk.
I didn't liked it, but at least there was no practical way to remove Bjayzl from her position of power, a position she used to damage others, so killing her put an end to that.
With Rha the situation is much different: all M'Benga had to do was to reveal the truth.
Honesty is the starting point of redemption. Rah was living a lie - one he had convinced himself of.
Plenty of liars in this world, we don't usually murder them.
The better part of a day passed between the dinner and the stabbing.
It is good to have an episode with some deliberate ambiguity. This is the ‘Tuvix’ of SNW I think.
That's true, we usually elect them.
"Tuvix" wasn't that ambiguous. "The Most Toys" would be better, I think.
"Perhaps something occurred during transport."
Aye, that's more like it actually.
I love the back and forth over this one.
I'm convinced, absolutely convinced M'Benga did it and Chapel helped him to lie, but there's enough leeway to make it seem either way.
What I'm less convinced by is whether or not M'Benga was right. I'm very conflicted over it. We saw children in body bags and this 'friendly ambassador' is the person who made that call...
The people who made this episide said Rah really was trying to redeem himself and help. I take their word for it.
good point, but with the same important distinction I made above for 7: Data didn’t think he was in any position to stop the collector to do harm again without killing him, M’Benga was.
I'm glad we can at least agree that Dak'Rah was harassing him and he was in the wrong for doing that.
Dak'Rah should not have kept going after someone with obvious war trauma and being asked to leave them alone.
And Dak'Rah had it coming for a very simple reason... he murdered civilians and children. Dak'Rah got off easy with a quick death, frankly. But he had it coming.
Regarding killing someone who harasses you... if they are attacking you, you have every right to defend yourself and if you have to kill them to stop them, you absolutely do that. There's a reason why that is not called murder... you are defending your life. As an example, if a woman is being attacked by someone harassing them, absolutely kill that bastard.
And regarding his search for 'redemption'...
It was bullshit. He was just making the best out of a situation where he was captured because he couldn't go back to the Klingons, even if he did escape. He preyed on the Federation's willingness to turn enemies into allies. Redemption starts with honesty and accountability... he showed neither just by not being honest about J'Gal.
He also showed complete lack of respect by not leaving when being asked multiple times to leave M'Benga alone. And specifically egging him on several different occasions outside that sickbay scene. You don't keep harassing someone after being told to leave. He most certainly wasn't an ambassador by being so disrespectful.
And looking at the scene, Dak'Rah was right next to the box with the knife. M'Benga was on the other side of the room. Given how we see Dak'Rah can just toss him around fairly easily from the fight scene earlier, how M'Benga was not juiced up on Protocol 12, and Dak'Rah's reaction when he discovered M'Benga knew the real truth, and M'Benga saying 'stop', M'Benga was defending himself from an attacker who was going to kill him. When you are in a fight for your life, you do whatever is necessary to not get killed, and that includes killing the one attacking you.
And him not attempting to revive Dak'Rah... he was stabbed right in the heart. M'Benga likely thought he couldn't be revived.
And besides that, he just fought for his life after being forced to relive a severe trauma... even the most well-trained people can freeze after such things happen.
So no, this most certainly was not murder. And no one should be shedding any tears over that cowardly child murderer.
A person trying to redeem themselves doesn't knowingly harass a person who has severe war trauma.
Cornered in a room with a Klingon who has proven that he could toss him around easily and is armed with a knife?
M'Benga had just as little a choice as Data did in "The Most Toys".
And regarding Seven killing Bjayzal... it was outside Federation (and from what we saw, any legal) territory. And she stopped someone from continuing to horribly kill other former Borg for their body parts. The fact it was personal is incidental... that was justice.
yeah, at minimum. and Spock said something like "last nights dinner" so at least a day passed.
It's bad enough M'Benga had to endure him espousing the virtues of peace after witnessing first-hand the consequences of Rah's merciless campaign, but to have to look the man in the eye knowing the unvarnished truth of it all - that Rah had claimed his actions as his own and used them as credentials on his first step towards redemption. It would make anyone's blood boil.
glad you finally got that I never wrote anything on the contrary.
And here we go again…
There is a concept that’s called reasonable force. If you kick someone trying to rob you that’s usually reasonable force, if you take out a gun and shoot him dead it is not in most jurisdictions.
The makers of the show say otherwise.
Or it can be a process. Things are not black and white.
We don’t really know how things went as of now.
Yeah, in Star Trek a stab to the heart is always fatal.
Wait, don’t Klingons have multiple hearts? And didn’t a certain character receive a stab to the heart in a bar and survive?
most certainly for you, many disagree.
People misjudge. And if someone can’t restrain themselves from killing they definitely shouldn’t be put in the position to do harm.
you don’t know that.
As I wrote already.
This is extremely questionable.
Sure, he was justified in being furious. But that doesn’t justify killing.
