Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x03 - "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow"

[TV's Frank]

If the noonian singh centre for culural advancement's cold fusion reactor exploded atomizing Toronto, then alt Captain Kirk's Future happens.

If Kahn lives, then La'an's Federation happens.

If Sarah the Romulan, or La'an shoot's tween Kahn dead, then a third unknown future happens.

If La'an heads back in time and saves 90s Project Kahn, then the TOS Federation is back.

Yeah, I remember those things being mentioned by characters, but again, the episode rushed itself to the 20th century without barely any way to distinguish the timeline, other than "hey, who are you, you don't work on my Enterprise?". Everything felt rushed to get to the past so we could then spend endless scenes of Kirk and La'aan blithely traipsing around Toronto as if they were on holiday. I like those actors but it was so weird to watch them be suddenly pushed into a rom-com scenario.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Yeah, I remember those things being mentioned by characters, but again, the episode rushed itself to the 20th century without barely any way to distinguish the timeline, other than "hey, who are you, you don't work on my Enterprise?". Everything felt rushed to get to the past so we could then spend endless scenes of Kirk and La'aan blithely traipsing around Toronto as if they were on holiday. I like those actors but it was so weird to watch them be suddenly pushed into a rom-com scenario.

Kirk was supposed to kill or incapacitate La'an to save his future.

A dirty week end there and then would have saved his friends and family from being unmade by time.

 

[TV's Frank]

Kirk was supposed to kill or incapacitate La'an to save his future.

A dirty week end there and then would have saved his friends and family from being unmade by time.

Yep, I get it, and that dilemma for Kirk carried no tension, I felt no struggle from him about this, even with their conversation in the hotel. Look, this episode was, for me, exceedingly flat and dull. I think I'm just weary of time travel episodes to the 20th century and anything involving Khan, the latter of whom I don't feel should be such a fulcrum for the entirety of the Prime timeline.

 

[Mudd]

Yep, I get it, and that dilemma for Kirk carried no tension, I felt no struggle from him about this, even with their conversation in the hotel. Look, this episode was, for me, exceedingly flat and dull. I think I'm just weary of time travel episodes to the 20th century and anything involving Khan, the latter of whom I don't feel should be such a fulcrum for the entirety of the Prime timeline.

That's a shame.

 

[Mudd]

 

[cooleddie74]

I do prefer the little multicolored blinky lights on Kirk's United Earth version of the Enterprise. More bright and colorful.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Yeah, I remember those things being mentioned by characters, but again, the episode rushed itself to the 20th century without barely any way to distinguish the timeline, other than "hey, who are you, you don't work on my Enterprise?". Everything felt rushed to get to the past so we could then spend endless scenes of Kirk and La'aan blithely traipsing around Toronto as if they were on holiday. I like those actors but it was so weird to watch them be suddenly pushed into a rom-com scenario.

21st. We’re like two decades in

 

[Tuskin38]

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would be nice for you to credit the person who made the comparison images
https://twitter.com/gaghyogi49/status/1676319973721997312

I do prefer the little multicolored blinky lights on Kirk's United Earth version of the Enterprise. More bright and colorful.

That's how they were in Discovery Season 2. They reverted the set colours to that (though still using the new UI elements they made for SNW)

 

[Noname Given]

Well, unfortunately this was the first SNW episode that simply didn't click with me at all. It all seemed so random and flippant and, honestly, I was bored by it. I think Star Trek has simply visited the 20th century one too many times, especially after spending almost all of Picard S2 in the same time period. I'm just not enthused anymore by Star Trek characters "discovering" 20th century life, learning to drive, learning that they need money, etc, it was so much of the same story beats repeated from TOS, TNG, the movies, VOY, etc.

Also, the "meet cute" aspect between Kirk and La'aan comes out of nowhere, in about 5 minutes. I checked the time remaining on the episode because I thought maybe I missed 20 minutes somewhere. Plus, the "stakes" mentioned are so vague and never made clear enough before they even time travel back... one scene on the bridge for some chat and that's it? That's all we get to understand what's different in this altered timeline? Even with Kirk adding some comments later, it presented so casually that it's akin to chatting about weather.

And I can't believe it all ended with such a prosaic philosophy question of "would you kill baby Hitler?". And La'aan leaves her gun there with baby Khan? And disappears right in front of him? Why?? That seems so sloppy!

I guess it's a good thing for us they weren't visiting the 20th century.

 

[AlanC9]

It doesn't matter.

Whatever she does is what makes the future what the future is.

Right. If she had done something differently, then the DTI would have had to wipe her memory. She didn't, so they didn't.

 

[Tuskin38]

The badge alternate spock was wearing was based off a Vulcan captain's pin from Enterprise
https://twitter.com/gaghyogi49/status/1676999450751795279

 

[cooleddie74]

The emblem of the Vulcan Expeditionary Force/Service?

 

[Tuskin38]

The emblem of the Vulcan Expeditionary Force/Service?

It's rank insignia
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Vulcan_ranks

 

[Yistaan]

It just occurred to me that Kirk's willingness to erase his timeline because he believes his brother will survive in the Prime Timeline is for nothing because as we all know Sam Kirk will die horribly via alien jellyfish a few years later. But to be fair there's now way La'an could have known that when trying to convince alt-Kirk.

 

[fireproof78]

Kirk should have stopped La'an then.

Then the show will have Captain Kirk of the Earth Ship Enterprise.

 

[KirkusOveractus]

It just occurred to me that Kirk's willingness to erase his timeline because he believes his brother will survive in the Prime Timeline is for nothing because as we all know Sam Kirk will die horribly via alien jellyfish a few years later. But to be fair there's now way La'an could have known that when trying to convince alt-Kirk.

And Prime Kirk doesn't know that, either. Not yet, anyway.

 

[Mudd]

It just occurred to me that Kirk's willingness to erase his timeline because he believes his brother will survive in the Prime Timeline is for nothing because as we all know Sam Kirk will die horribly via alien jellyfish a few years later.

Nonsense.

Anyone who's saved from death, dies later anyway. How did you think it worked?

 

[cooleddie74]

Sam is going to die in 2267 on Deneva anyways. Doesn't mean that timeline's Jim Kirk didn't get to experience joy knowing his brother was alive in another. And that's all that mattered in the context of this episode. James T. Kirk got to feel joy.

 

[Hythlodeus]

Nonsense.

Anyone who's saved from death, dies later anyway. How did you think it worked?

so why bother saving them?

 

[fireproof78]

so why bother saving them?

Indeed. In fact, why use time travel at all? La'an should have stayed with Kirk in his time and let everyone pass in to a blissful nonexistence. Better in the long run that being bound for a fate as bad as death.