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Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x01 - "The Broken Circle"

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It's episodic Trek. You could dislike one week, and find the next one engaging.

This show takes me back to Voyager in that regard.

I think the only episode I'm really going to be disappointed with is the Rigel one. It's something I've always wanted to see Pike deal with again, though I'm not liking what happens to the landing party in that episode..

The Laan time travel to Toronto 2023 one.... that's going to be an interesting week for the continuity die-hards. :lol:

Spock Amok 2.0 will be a satisfying ep for the shippers.
 
Ovation said:
It’s all make believe. It’s meant to be fun. It’s not a treatise on ANY form of science. It’s perfectly fine to dislike a story choice. It’s fine to critique it from a storytelling perspective (structure, pacing, etc.). It’s absurd to claim the liquid PCP is less believable than the instant telekinesis or hyper speed or Venus drugs or magic oxygen booster or…on the basis of science. Do people actually watch the show?
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Or a matter Transportation device hooked to a computer that can disassemble, beam/transmit to a location, and then reassemble the billions of molecules of 6 (and sometimes more) people in the time frame of a few seconds.

(even assuming you could make a highly advanced CPU type device/system with enough memory to handle everything, disassembling and reassembling the amount of matter involved would take hours at best.)

And if you think I'm basing this estimate on 21st century level technology; assuming the problems with physics in general are overcome; with the current level of CPU technology, it would take years to disassemble and reassemble one person (assuming no errors whatsoever)...

TLDR - anyone who thinks Star Trek isn't displaying/using absolutely magical technology hasn't really been paying attention to the show itself.
 
Star Trek is hard science about as much as a Howard Stern Sirius Radio signing contest is a formal dress concert at the Met.
 
cooleddie74 said:
Star Trek is hard science about as much as a Howard Stern Sirius Radio signing contest is a formal dress concert at the Met.
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No offense but that's a massive distortion of how Trek has tried to balance the storytelling needs of entertainment with something that sounds plausible enough to be an extrapolation of the current day understanding of science.

If what you said really was true, we'd still be calling their warp crystals lithium crystals (like they did in early scripts of TOS before writers changed things) with no regard to the fact that lithium is a real element.
 
cooleddie74 said:
The throat patch that let Khan speak in Seven's voice when interacting with the Beta 5 computer was a great touch.

:)
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What? They showed that technology existing in the 20th century in the James Bond film: Diamonds Are Forever.

All you need to complete the homage is give Gary 7 cat a completely white cat. ;)
 
cooleddie74 said:
Did I exaggerate for comic effect? Yes. Do I stand by my "Trek is not hard science and we can't judge it so harshly most of the time" belief? Definitely.

Trek does a very serviceable job but where it fails I don't lose any sleep.
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I just read about dilithium:

Dilithium, Li2, is a strongly electrophilic, diatomic molecule comprising two lithium atoms covalently bonded together. Li2 is known in the gas phase. It has a bond order of 1, an internuclear separation of 267.3 pm and a bond energy of 102 kJ/mol or 1.06 eV in each bond.[1] The electron configuration of Li2 may be written as σ2.
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Nothing about crystals though...:weep:
 
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Citiprime said:
So it makes sense that the Federation has a ban on genetic engineering that punishes people criminally for violating, but wouldn't control, regulate, or prohibit drugs that can achieve the same ends?
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Where was it ever implied in the episode that what M'Benga and Nurse Chapel were injecting into themselves was either legal or condoned by Starfleet or the Federation?

By the discussion they had before doing it, it was pretty clear that this was both illegal and not condoned by any Federation governmental entity. They didn't take the action that they did to inject themselves lightly.
 
ananta said:
What bothered me more about the rather silly fight scene was the way the apprehended Klingon acted. No Klingon warrior would have given in and been intimidated by the threat or violence or even death. I think any Klingon would have taken that information to the grave. I guess, however, he might just have been a lousy Klingon, but it didn’t sit right.
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I suggest you go rewatch the TOS S1 episode Errand Of Mercy, and pay particular attention to the point when Kirk and Spock infiltrate their way into Kor's headquarters...

Or go watch TOS S2 Friday's Child, and pay attention to the Klingon soldier's reaction when Kirk is holding a knife to his throat.

Star Trek Strange New Worlds does not take place in the 24th century TNG era.
 
Yistaan said:
No offense but that's a massive distortion of how Trek has tried to balance the storytelling needs of entertainment with something that sounds plausible enough to be an extrapolation of the current day understanding of science.

If what you said really was true, we'd still be calling their warp crystals lithium crystals (like they did in early scripts of TOS before writers changed things) with no regard to the fact that lithium is a real element.
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Dilithium is real too,
 
TerryTrek said:
You'll find 2x02 being a lot more safe and familiar Trek. Measure of a Man 2.0. A little bit preachy, but it has a worthwhile lesson to teach. It's a good episode.
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Good to hear, and you may be right, but I can see how, on paper at least, this episode would seem very accessible to casual viewers: It's a Spock-centric episode, featuring old-fashioned Klingons, and some familiar Star Trek tropes: stealing the Enterprise, exciting action scenes, a big final space battle.

I mean, if there's anything even casual fans know about Star Trek, it's Spock and Klingons. What could be more user-friendly to the new and casual viewers?

In theory, at least.
 
Noname Given said:
What? They showed that technology existing in the 20th century in the James Bond film: Diamonds Are Forever.

All you need to complete the homage is give Gary 7 cat a completely white cat. ;)
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Isis would be jealous. :)

Dare I mention that Diamonds Are Forever was very possibly the first Bond movie I ever saw in a theater? I remember thinking it was seriously cool at the time.

Mind you, I was eleven.
 
Greg Cox said:
I mean, if there's anything even casual fans know about Star Trek, it's Spock and Klingons. What could be more user-friendly to the new and casual viewers?

In theory, at least.
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I'm sure many casual and new viewers saw this episode due to the heavy marketing and promotion. Whether they left hyped for the next episode, or disengaged by the mediocrity of this ep is TBD.

I think the upcoming comedy romp with human Spock and the in-laws will probably get more favorable reactions from the casuals.
 
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