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Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x01 - "The Broken Circle"

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"I don't like a scene." Fair.

"I don't like a scene because a nurse should not fight." Strange.

"I don't like a scene because it's not Star Trek." Just flat wrong.

NO. Not wrong. An o-pin-ion.

Also don't think anyone has said a nurse shouldn't fight. I may be wrong, however and I admit that as I've not read every post.
 
And I can only take so many "she's a woman, she's too weak" rationalizations and so many "I know we've never complained about seeing a doctor fight before but THIS TIME" rationalizations before I start suspecting the person giving me a "reason" is either lying to themselves or is blowing smoke up my ass.



Once again, please learn to use the phrase "dog-whistle" correctly. I am not dog-whistling; I am saying that I think at least some people objecting to that scene are dog-whistling.



I'm sorry to report that this just isn't true. But also, you don't have to be a bastion of right-wing hate to feel uncomfortable seeing a black man or a woman kicking ass without understanding your own reaction. Plenty of well-meaning people still have feelings that they won't admit to themselves.



And the hypocrisy of seeing people whine that Christine is a woman and therefore clearly too weak not to break her hands when no one ever laid the same complaint against Kira, Jadzia, or Ezri is very noticeable.



No one's shutting down conversation. It's not happening.



I am not the one picking out this one lousy scene. I have made several posts basically saying, "this one lousy scene does not make or break the episode." Other people are picking out this one lousy scene and turning it into this Big Thing, and frankly that kind of tunnel vision over such a minor part of the episode makes me suspicious about their motivations.



There's nothing pretend about it.



Political collapse can lead to medical industry collapse. Nothing about that seems inconsistent to me.



Sure. Addiction will still happen if you don't seek or refuse treatment. Doesn't mean addiction isn't curable, and it doesn't mean that addiction is a valid reason to ban a substance in the context of a society where addiction is curable if the patient consents.



The question of whether or not addiction still happens is relevant only insofar as it informs us whether or not a substance should be illegal. The legality or illegality of a substance is the primary topic; whether addictions occur is a tangent from that topic.



Given the very long example of Portugal, I think you need to provide more evidence to support that assertion.



And if drugs are not illegal, a huge percentage of their markup goes away. The price drastically falls and therefore the ability of predators and organized crime to profit vastly decreases. Drug prohibition is the best thing to happen to the Mafia and the cartels.



And yet no reasonable person thinks tobacco should be illegal.



No, it's akin to saying I don't want racist police and DAs using drug use as a pretext for oppressing black folk and to saying that the government shouldn't have the right to tell you what substances you can put in your body absent a far more compelling public interest than has been presented in support of drug prohibition so far.

But now we're getting into the weeds and this is probably not the place for that topic. Suffice it to say that the real issue here is that we have no canonical reason to assume that drug use per se is illegal in the Federation.

I will agree with you that there is no real evidence drug use is illegal in the Federation.

What I will not agree with is 'no reasonable person thinks tobacco should be illegal'. I most definitely think it should be illegal. Unless you believe I am not a reasonable person.

Cigarettes do nothing but get people addicted and kill people. (It's why my grandfather didn't live long enough to even reach retirement age.) Plus, it also affects other people who have never smoked, or do you think the consequences of secondhand smoke are a myth?

It's one thing to be putting bad chemicals and products into your own body. It's quite another to be using such things that have a measureable, proveable hazard on people around you. So yes, I most certainly think it should be illegal.
 
NO. Not wrong. An o-pin-ion.

Also don't think anyone has said a nurse shouldn't fight. I may be wrong, however and I admit that as I've not read every post.
I apologize if I generalized to you. But, yes someone said that "a nurse shouldn't fight."

And the idea that a fist fight makes a scene "Not Star Trek" is an odd opinion, at best. Especially if one comes from TOS like I have and the first episode I watched was Kirk beating up Mitchell.
 
Nah, peak Klingon was DS9. We learned more about them and their culture in that series than in TOS and TNG.

I find most TNG Klingon episodes boring in comparison to DS9.

Klingons were badass in TNG. They became progressively watered down on DS9.
 
What badass things did Klingons do in TNG?

I recall the stupid panstik ritual.

I recall the assassination attempt and lots of murdering and fighting.
 
I will agree with you that there is no real evidence drug use is illegal in the Federation.

What I will not agree with is 'no reasonable person thinks tobacco should be illegal'. I most definitely think it should be illegal. Unless you believe I am not a reasonable person.

Cigarettes do nothing but get people addicted and kill people. (It's why my grandfather didn't live long enough to even reach retirement age.) Plus, it also affects other people who have never smoked, or do you think the consequences of secondhand smoke are a myth?

It's one thing to be putting bad chemicals and products into your own body. It's quite another to be using such things that have a measureable, proveable hazard on people around you. So yes, I most certainly think it should be illegal.
what it should be is taxed. which it is, in most countries, anyway. if those taxes are high enough, however, can be debated.
criminalizing it however, as history has shown us, only leads to organized crime making a lot of money
 
Finally saw this one. 5/10. It was alright, but "The Broken Circle" felt like a random Discovery episode in the writing, direction and the way that the characters were presented. Probably SNW's weakest.

The superpowers drug. We've had weirder, sillier and more random things in Star Trek, like the mutated Tom Paris. However, starting the season off with this... eh. I would have avoided it. You could have Babs Olusanmokun show off his Jiu Jitsu moves and come off as a believable fighter without the superpowers. You could do a cool one-shot hallway fight like Daredevil, using an actor with that skillset.

It seemed like they just wanted to include Jess Bush in the fight scene and somehow make it plausible with the super serum. It would have been more effective if Chapel just 'McGuyver-ed' some projectile weapons that electrocute the Klingons using the medical 'tech.'

What I liked about many episodes of S1 is SNW is Entry Level Trek. It's easy to introduce Trek to your girlfriend or new casual viewers by showing them episodes like Memento Mori or Strange New Worlds. I don't think Pelia would really appeal to the uninitiated. Carol's acting choices with that character.. are rather jarring. I could see the casuals wondering wtf they are watching and tune out.


All that being said, be excited. Episode 2x02 is good. I've spoken to some who have seen the early screeners. It's probably the best of the bunch.

IMO the season should have started with the 2x02 episode. They heavily promoted Season Two, so it would have been beneficial to start on a stronger foot with the premiere.

Looking forward to Anson Mount's return.
 
What I liked about many episodes of S1 is SNW is Entry Level Trek. It's easy to introduce Trek to your girlfriend or new casual viewers by showing them episodes like Memento Mori or Strange New Worlds. I don't think Pelia would really appeal to the uninitiated. Carol's acting choices with that character.. are rather jarring. I could see the casuals wondering wtf they are watching and tune out.
It's funny you say that because this episode felt the safest for the uninitiated.
 
It isn't that safe when you leave your star (Anson Mount; the show's popular draw) out of the episode.

Carol wasn't a safe choice either, neither was her acting choices. I could see that being quite off-putting for many casuals.

You'll find 2x02 being a lot more safe and familiar Trek. Measure of a Man 2.0. A little bit preachy, but it has a worthwhile lesson to teach. It's a good episode.
 
Kirk wasn't in one episode of TAS at all, the only canonical Trek story between the second TOS Pilot and "Encounter at Farpoint, Part I(TNG)" that didn't feature even the briefest appearance of Kirk's character.
 
Definite need for Mount. He's the reason the show exists. His popularity pushed the demand for the Pike spinoff. He's the charm and charisma. Balances everyone out.

The show feels very off-balance without him there. Discovery vibes.

I don't mind him taking a backseat for later episodes in the season, but it definitely feels like a risky choice to have him absent for the heavily-marketed premiere episode of the season.
 
Definite need for Mount. He's the reason the show exists. His popularity pushed the demand for the Pike spinoff. He brings the charm and charisma moreso than the others.

The show also feels very off-balance without him there. Discovery vibes.

I don't mind him taking a backseat for later episodes in the season, but it definitely feels like a risky choice to have him absent for the heavily-marketed premiere episode of the season.
Nah. Needing Mount is Disco vibes.

This episode felt predictable.
 
Oh the story was definitely predictable. I just generally expected better from SNW. I found most of S1 quite refreshing compared to what came before in streaming Trek.

We're in for 5 seasons of SNW, for certain. So there's room for good and bad.
 
Oh the story was definitely predictable. I just generally expected better from SNW. I found most of S1 quite refreshing compared to what came before in streaming Trek.
This episode is exactly what I expected from this season of SNW.

One more chance, SNW.
 
I will agree with you that there is no real evidence drug use is illegal in the Federation.

What I will not agree with is 'no reasonable person thinks tobacco should be illegal'. I most definitely think it should be illegal. Unless you believe I am not a reasonable person.

Cigarettes do nothing but get people addicted and kill people. (It's why my grandfather didn't live long enough to even reach retirement age.) Plus, it also affects other people who have never smoked, or do you think the consequences of secondhand smoke are a myth?

It's one thing to be putting bad chemicals and products into your own body. It's quite another to be using such things that have a measureable, proveable hazard on people around you. So yes, I most certainly think it should be illegal.

If tobacco were discovered today it'd be a class A drug. Alcohol too for that matter. The only reason they aren't is a cultural one, not a medical one.
 
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