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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x10 - "The Last Generation"

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I liked when Wesley left his Starfleet career behind and went off into the unknown with the Traveler. It was sad when he showed up in uniform in Nemesis.

Wesley showing up in uniform didn't bother me at all, because it was Riker and Troi's wedding and the Starfleet officers were expected to wear their dress uniforms. It isn't uncommon for someone who retired from the military to wear their dress uniform on special occasions like weddings. I just took it as him putting on the uniform again, but still being retired. Of course, there are some cut scenes from the wedding where he talks about going to serve on the Titan, but since they were cut I don't consider those scenes canon.
 
The very post you quoted indicates ROTJ was released in 1983 -- 40 years ago.

That's right. Star Wars -- released in 1977 -- sought only to cash in on the success of TMP (release in 1979).

He isn't talking about TMP. George Lucas was a fan of Star Trek. Star Trek became HUGE in the 70s thanks to syndication. There are many similarities between the two projects. I have no doubt that the popularity of the Star Trek TV show helped propel Star Wars, and the success of Star Wars led to Paramount final releasing a Star Trek movie in 79.
 
Related question: how is it that, in 2023, a science fiction fan hasn't seen Return of the Jedi?
Well it's not sci-fi at all ;)

I wonder what Seven's catch phrase (as a Captain) is going to be. I hope some day we can find out!
Warp will now commence. (Ashes to ashes)
Our time warp, factor Seven! (The Cage)
Zooooooommmm, zoooooooommmm... (Dark Frontier)

This has been somewhat addressed upstream, but are there any examples since "engage," aside from Captain Freeman's "Warp me"?
In the German version, Janeway sometimes said "Accelerate!"
 
He isn't talking about TMP. George Lucas was a fan of Star Trek. Star Trek became HUGE in the 70s thanks to syndication. There are many similarities between the two projects. I have no doubt that the popularity of the Star Trek TV show helped propel Star Wars, and the success of Star Wars led to Paramount final releasing a Star Trek movie in 79.
With the first movie George wanted to do Flash Gordon, though, and was also inspired by Dune. I don’t see many similarities between Trek and the Star Wars OG.
 
With the first movie George wanted to do Flash Gordon, though, and was also inspired by Dune. I don’t see many similarities between Trek and the Star Wars OG.
George Lucas' direct inspiration for Star Wars was Flash Gordon, Foundation, Dune, and the serials he saw as a youth. But he gained confidence in the public's interest in space stuff (still, post-Apollo) due to Star Trek re-runs being popular. The extent of Star Trek's influence is that he felt there was a market for space-based content. But he wanted to do something thematically very different.

The success of Star Wars of course, is what got TMP made once Phase II and the original Paramount Network plan floundered.
 
He isn't talking about TMP. George Lucas was a fan of Star Trek. Star Trek became HUGE in the 70s thanks to syndication. There are many similarities between the two projects. I have no doubt that the popularity of the Star Trek TV show helped propel Star Wars, and the success of Star Wars led to Paramount final releasing a Star Trek movie in 79.

There are zero similarities between Star Wars and Star Trek, aside from them taking place in space and having the word "Star" in their titles. Lucas was inspired by Japanese cinema -- specifically Akira Kurosawa's "The Hidden Fortress" -- not Star Trek.
 
There are zero similarities between Star Wars and Star Trek, aside from them taking place in space and having the word "Star" in their titles. Lucas was inspired by Japanese cinema -- specifically Akira Kurosawa's "The Hidden Fortress" -- not Star Trek.
Lucas cribbed terminology popularized by Star Trek: "deflector shields," "tractor beam," and "phroton torpedo," and "federation" in the prequels, so I don't think it's fair to say that he had literally zero inspiration from Star Trek.

But Star Wars was anything but a Star Trek rip-off. The project began when Lucas could not secure the rights to Flash Gordon. As you say, he was influenced by Japanese cinema. He was a film student, so he was influenced by a lot of film. The motifs in the story follow from his efforts to deconstruct mythological lore, so the influences are numerous and likely difficult to account for comprehensively.

To @Captain Atkin's points, science fiction was popular in the 1970s, thanks to Star Trek, but also thanks to 2001, Planet of the Apes, and others. One of the popular shows on TV at the time was The Six Million Dollar Man. Spielberg was about to make Close Encounters and would soon make E.T. The fact that the popularity of Star Wars transcended the audiences of all of these things more or less proves that its fan base was not confined to any one of them.

Getting back to PIC, I have no doubt that the Ent-D run into the Borg cube and to its reactor is a direct allusion to and homage of the attack on the Death Star II in Return of the Jedi.
 
Lucas also used the term "cloaking device" (ESB).

There is also the egregious use of classic anime tropes and other references from Japanese culture in Star Wars.
Star Wars and Japanese cinema: How samurai warriors inspired the Jedi (dorksideoftheforce.com)
5 Ways Japan Influenced 'Star Wars' - GaijinPot
JAPAN AND STAR WARS: IN A SHOGUNATE FAR FAR AWAY (lmu.edu)
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This is why I always found it laughable when Lucas turned around and sued Universal & Glen Larson over TOS Battlestar Galactica for being a Star Wars "rip-off". The judge also apparently found it laughable when he threw the suit out. Lucas stole shit from everything under the sun to do Star Wars! :lol:
 
What about Kironide?
In the episode Plato’s children they had telekinetic powers. McCoy isolated and reproduces kironide that gives Kirk the same power except many times more powerful.
 
Lucas also used the term "cloaking device" (ESB).
Quite.

Speaking of, I was really glad to see that Federation ships are now equipped with cloaking devices, post Dominion War. [edit - Oops, no, I'd forgotten it had come from the Bird of Prey: https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/sta...last-generation.313881/page-139#post-14483200]

TNG "The Pegasus" was a solid episode, one of TNG's best actually, and how DS9 handled the Romulan's loan of cloaking technology to the Federation was generally well conceived and executed. But I think that intrigue surrounding cloaking has run its course.
 
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