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I'm with you on modern media over-using "Death" to tug at your heart strings.

Super Sentai, despite it's 48+ years of being on-air with yearly shows and new teams; it VERY rarely kills it's main characters.

The number of times that a main character truly died has been literally barely past a handful in the past 48+ years of being on air.

Just like Pro Wrestling, "Less is More". You don't want to over-abuse killing off main-characters.

Just like you don't want to over-do anything. No matter what the current writing zeitgeist might suggest.
I'm a big comic book fan too (shocking I know) and I think the thing that drove home how ridiculous death is is last decade, when they killed Wolverine (stupid story to tell to begin with) and left him dead for a whopping 4 years or something. But the thing is, Wolverine wasn't actually dead really... because they nearly instantly replaced him in the story and on the X-Men with the "Old Man Logan" possible alternate future Wolverine who is pretty much Clint Eastwood "Get off my lawn" guy as Wolverine. So they killed the Wolverine we know, to replace him with a wolverine who is exactly the same, just more old-man dickish.

Like what was the fucking point?

There was even a website counting how many days til they brought him back.

Death in fiction, particularly genre fiction like fantasy and sci-fi, is really just cheap and the expression of a lazy writer. In his interviews today I'm gratified that Matalas pretty much denounced why he could never kill the TNG characters.
 
I really enjoyed this episode, a lot of things "came off." Really nice end to the plots as laid out. Poker at the end giving us "back" All Good Things' ending was the right touch to go with as it felt we were really robbed of it by the Movies and Nemesis depressing ending.

The short bit that was the most obvious and blatant flashing set of lights for "GREENLIGHT ME" with The Ent-G's bridge crew and the kind of set of three bridge crew I'd like to see. I think it'd be an interesting thing to see as a show, and they did leave Stashwick's funeral/death beyond the on-screen cleverly out to give us that Borgified resurrection that I think the character should have if Legacy did get Greenlit.

Oh the cameo at the very end. *Chef's kiss* It's always a pleasure with John De Lancie.

What ARE they going to do when they run out of letters considering the rate they get through Enterprises? In this show alone we've gone from E-F-G. Do we add a number afterwards? NCC-1701A1? AA? Will we, in ten years time get the Enterprise NCC-1701 AAAAAAAAAAAAA! ?

Either way.

More plz.

Paramount, go talk to Terry and Greenlight that Legacy thing.

Ah the poker scene. With Picard taking Riker down a few pegs! Yeah, there were stuff in Generations and Nemesis that really...you get the idea.

As with the Enterprise designations, they can't keep replacing them as fast as they can because we know there's an Enterprise-J in the 26th century (as we learn from "Star Trek: Enterprise").
 
Yeah, but that updated design was built for the stunt people to do their thing in the movie, and rolling the captain's section to crash into a wall.
While that may be true, it also makes more sense to better use your space with more stations on the side of the walls.

And given how tall some people are, having the Captain's, 1st Officer, 2nd Officers chair be slightly elevated so a persons head doesn't block your view makes the most logical design sense.
 
I really enjoyed this episode, a lot of things "came off." Really nice end to the plots as laid out. Poker at the end giving us "back" All Good Things' ending was the right touch to go with as it felt we were really robbed of it by the Movies and Nemesis depressing ending.

The short bit that was the most obvious and blatant flashing set of lights for "GREENLIGHT ME" with The Ent-G's bridge crew and the kind of set of three bridge crew I'd like to see. I think it'd be an interesting thing to see as a show, and they did leave Stashwick's funeral/death beyond the on-screen cleverly out to give us that Borgified resurrection that I think the character should have if Legacy did get Greenlit.

Oh the cameo at the very end. *Chef's kiss* It's always a pleasure with John De Lancie.

What ARE they going to do when they run out of letters considering the rate they get through Enterprises? In this show alone we've gone from E-F-G. Do we add a number afterwards? NCC-1701A1? AA? Will we, in ten years time get the Enterprise NCC-1701 AAAAAAAAAAAAA! ?

Either way.

More plz.

Paramount, go talk to Terry and Greenlight that Legacy thing.
They will probably resort to Greek alphabet lettering after Z.
 
His actions weren't controlled by the Queen. It was his choice. He went to kill her despite being warned. He had good intentions, but it was a bad decision. You know the saying about good intentions?

But the relevant point was that he voluntarily made the choice despite warnings and knowing how he fit in her plans.
The Federation disagrees, it doesn't need to be direct control, even just some level of influence is enough.

And we know he was being influenced to a rather significant degree.
 
I'm a big comic book fan too (shocking I know) and I think the thing that drove home how ridiculous death is is last decade, when they killed Wolverine (stupid story to tell to begin with) and left him dead for a whopping 4 years or something. But the thing is, Wolverine wasn't actually dead really... because they nearly instantly replaced him in the story and on the X-Men with the "Old Man Logan" possible alternate future Wolverine who is pretty much Clint Eastwood "Get off my lawn" guy as Wolverine. So they killed the Wolverine we know, to replace him with a wolverine who is exactly the same, just more old-man dickish.

Like what was the fucking point?

There was even a website counting how many days til they brought him back.

Death in fiction, particularly genre fiction like fantasy and sci-fi, is really just cheap and the expression of a lazy writer. In his interviews today I'm gratified that Matalas pretty much denounced why he could never kill the TNG characters.
Given how Season 3 played out, I'm very happy with Terry Matalas at the helm.

I'm fine with him in charge of the Berman-era Trek.
 
Who said it was jettisoned?

It's the 24th century.

Picard can have 2x Wives.

I don't see what's wrong with Polygamy, as long as everybody is copecetic with the love / marriage arrangement and everybody is fine being married to whomever they want, I don't see a problem with JLP having 2x wives.
I'm not sure how I feel about that, but regardless Star Trek has generally kept itself "vanilla" to things of that nature. It's not the Expanse.

Personally, I think Trek is an aweful lens to examine relationships. It's almost never worked. I'm bi and I've been in relationships with men and women, including LTRs and my stomach turned at the weak-ass material the writers shoveled in front of Discovery's four principle LGBTQ characters. Half it seemed like it was written by someone who has never been in a relationship before of any type. Wasn't a deal breaker with Discovery with me at all (I really like the show now) and it certainly wasn't the actors fault. But writing relationships of any type is hard and lots of writers fail.
 
Ah the poker scene. With Picard taking Riker down a few pegs! Yeah, there were stuff in Generations and Nemesis that really...you get the idea.

As with the Enterprise designations, they can't keep replacing them as fast as they can because we know there's an Enterprise-J in the 26th century (as we learn from "Star Trek: Enterprise").

It would've been a special moment if the showrunner pull some magic and introduced a new design for the Enterprise but no worries. CBSALLACCESS + Trek did such a good job with this season of PICARD I'm fine with what was there.
 
Damn Matalas mentioning those possible cameos....and STILL there was no DS9 characters mentioned...:(
I would love if Section 31 take place in like, 2405, and one of the principles is the Secret head of Section 31, Julian Bashir (per some licensed works).

As cool as it would have been to get more cameos, I'd rather treat the remaining DS9 cast differently since, without Avery Brook's involvement (which would almost certainly never happen), a DS9 reunion show would have to be about dramatically different issues than what DS9 was about.
 
I'm not sure how I feel about that, but regardless Star Trek has generally kept itself "vanilla" to things of that nature. It's not the Expanse.

Personally, I think Trek is an aweful lens to examine relationships. It's almost never worked. I'm bi and I've been in relationships with men and women, including LTRs and my stomach turned at the weak-ass material the writers shoveled in front of Discovery's four principle LGBTQ characters. Half it seemed like it was written by someone who has never been in a relationship before of any type. Wasn't a deal breaker with Discovery with me at all (I really like the show now) and it certainly wasn't the actors fault. But writing relationships of any type is hard and lots of writers fail.
Give them time, they'll get it right someday.

I would love if Section 31 take place in like, 2405, and one of the principles is the Secret head of Section 31, Julian Bashir (per some licensed works).

As cool as it would have been to get more cameos, I'd rather treat the remaining DS9 cast differently since, without Avery Brook's involvement (which would almost certainly never happen), a DS9 reunion show would have to be about dramatically different issues than what DS9 was about.
Probably best to set it during a time where those characters all passed on. Kind of like Anime's Macross Sagas.
 
I feel like the whole Borg transporter code thing ignored just how prevalent transporters were used ON EARTH to move around. I fail to see why the Changelings wouldn't have uploaded the code there as well, but it seems like they just talked about it in the context of ships.
Maybe the Transporter Systems were managed by better "Security Minded" folks who don't just upload patches into their Transporter System w/o inspecting said code.
 
Please tell me you're joking.

They finished filming this show last March.
I’m joking. I am sure that any other comparisons to Star Wars are also coincidental, too. After all, Snoop Dogg is *not* the Captain of the Enterprise G… though Seven was my second option. Snoop could still show up one day though? He could be an Admiral. :D

I wonder if they will refit the Enterprise G should there be a new series? Like how they refitted the original Titan in to the Titan A?
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Starships could be like Pokémon with many ‘evolutions’…. Who knows what Seven may have modded this ship with by the next time that we see it ‘on screen’. I am sure that it is possible that all of the sharp angles will be gone and it will have a lot more curves and look a bit more ‘25th century’ like rather than 23rd century? :D
 
Ah the poker scene. With Picard taking Riker down a few pegs! Yeah, there were stuff in Generations and Nemesis that really...you get the idea.

As with the Enterprise designations, they can't keep replacing them as fast as they can because we know there's an Enterprise-J in the 26th century (as we learn from "Star Trek: Enterprise").

In one timeline that might not happen now, for all we know.

That or they just loop back around and start naming them again.

I would love if Section 31 take place in like, 2405, and one of the principles is the Secret head of Section 31, Julian Bashir (per some licensed works).

As cool as it would have been to get more cameos, I'd rather treat the remaining DS9 cast differently since, without Avery Brook's involvement (which would almost certainly never happen), a DS9 reunion show would have to be about dramatically different issues than what DS9 was about.

I mean DS9 was about the rugged frontier and actually staying by what normally would be a planet-of-the-week for a prolongued period of time

So maybe a show or Limited Series focused on a single planet with Siddig at the helm? If he's interested, of course. I think a similarly "Mixed" reuinion cast with a smattering of other Voyager actors we didn't get (Garret Wang, Robert Duncan McNeil, Robert Picardo etc) might be good too.

Hell, I'd take a two parter in Star Trek: Legacy. That'd be fun.
 
I’m joking. I am sure that any other comparisons to Star Wars are also coincidental, too. After all, Snoop Dogg is *not* the Captain of the Enterprise G… though Seven was my second option. Snoop could still show up one day though? He could be an Admiral. :D

I wonder if they will refit the Enterprise G should there be a new series? Like how they refitted the original Titan in to the Titan A?
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Starships could be like Pokémon with many ‘evolutions’…. Who knows what Seven may have modded this ship with by the next time that we see it ‘on screen’. I am sure that it is possible that all of the sharp angles will be gone and it will have a lot more curves and look a bit more ‘25th century’ like rather than 23rd century? :D
Is there word of mouth about a Spin-off of PICARD from CBS?
 
A LOT of pages to go through, and I doubt I can catch up.

I LOVED the finale!!!

A few issues, but they are small. I think I can sum up my feelings with one sentence.

It's the best series finale since DS9. Every character had their moments, and their endings on screen, before we get to the poker table. It compares to DS9's in that way, because I had many times where a single man tear was happening. My wife was also having tears, too. (And PICARD is the first series that she started watching as it aired, and watched to the end. It has been a joy to be on that journey with her.)

So many excellent, beautiful scenes... it's impossible to pick a top 3.

I gave this a 10, and I am not ashamed to say a few of the points are because of the nostalgia factor and seeing the crew I grew up with together one last time.

And speaking of the poker scene... that was pure perfection. 14 year old me was crying tears of joy when "All Good Things..." ended on that, and I did it again tonight with the poker scene. It truly brought me back in time 29 years ago... I missed the me of back then, and I'm glad I got to say hello to him one more time.
 
I'd argue that the next time that you see "The Borg", it won't be about assimilation.

It'll be a very different beast. than the one we knew.

Assimilating towards perfection has failed so badly that they need a new game plan.

One that is fundamentally different.

And there will always be some game-changing crisis on the Galactic scale, that just seems to come with being a regional Stellar Super Power like the UFP.
I participated in an episode-by episode historical thread of Star Trek in this forum a while ago that basically took a serious "history + policy" look at Star Trek from 2151 to the 32nd century. It was really cool because quite by accident, Star Trek has assembled a coherent saga of how the Federation role to more or less rule the galaxy by the 30th century.

"Q Who?" and System J-25 remains the inflection point in Trek history. It may be the most pivotal day in Federation history since the signing of Khitomer. Because as Q highlighted, from 2151 until 2365, the Federation had mostly dealt with local space, dealing with the Romulans, the Klingons and then 70 years of quite where the biggest issue was skirmishes with the Cardassians. It was really only in the 2350s and 2360s, as the Federation started to expand and explore beyond Romulan and Klingon space (as opposed to in the opposite direction where no great powers were), did they run into new threats... eventually the Borg and the Dominion.

The 38 years of crisis that began in System J-25 was necessary though. The Federation took down the powers of two quadrants in the ensuing 30 years. It destroyed the Borg, which were slowly spreading like a virus across the galaxy. Much of the Delta Quadrant, which really only had powers confined to a couple of systems because of the Borg's presence, would experience a power vacuum. In the Gamma Quadrant, the Federation alliance solidly beat the Dominion, and by 2401, was probably more capable of beating them again than ever. And to top it off, a Federation ally (Odo) was put into the Dominion's government.

I think what lies ahead in the 25th and 26th century is a resumption of that long peace into an even longer peace where the Federation spreads to the far reaches of the Beta and Alpha Quadrants. It would construct big ships again eventually to this end (the Enterprise-J). By the 27th century, it should reach Dominion space the long way around. And just keeps spreading. Taking down the Borg and the Dominion opened the door to unrestricted spread. The Klingons and Romulans joining in the 25th century (or so) also removes a major issue.

By the 29th and 30th century we know two things: one, the Federaiton ruled most of the galaxy and was starting to explore time. And two, the process of doing so made it a lot of enemies. I like to think the Temporal War, the most destructive war in Federation, history, happened because the Federation's 29th and 30th century enemies realized they couldn't beat Starfleet conventionally. Ship to ship, the old way? They were completely outgunned. So they had to attack the Federation through time and space to try and break their galactic hegemony. The Federation as we know, won the war, and time travel was banned. But it knocked them on their ass and depleted vast resources. It made them vulnerable for the Burn, which finally took it down. That parallels to a degree how the Eastern Roman Empire exhausted itself fighting the Sasanian Empire in Persia. And then the Plague of Justinian and rise of the Caliphate in southern Arabia (at that point, a backwater) broke the Empire's many centuries long control over North Africa and the Levant within about 120 years, pushing the Romans to Asia Minor and South Eastern Europe. So you see, there is (quite accidentally) a historic parallel between how Rome and the Federation spread - basically into a vast vacuum for centuries - before getting hit hard by natural distasters, black swans and unexpected threats.

It would be nice if Discovery could firm up this narrative more and fill in some history, but quite by accident, it's a good, thousand year story of the rise and fall of the Milk Way's first truly pan-galactic great power since the Tkon or the Iconians. And it all started by walking through that door in System J-25. THe next 40, and then then next 700 years of Starfleet history began there.

I hope we're done with the Borg for good. Not because I dislike them (quite the opposite), but because Endgame + this is such a good ending for them. If we see Jurati's Borg again, I hope they look RADICALLY different.
 
Oh HELL NO!
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The Armada Fusion Cubes are TINY compared to this Queen's giant Radio Tower Cube.

This Cube is closer to Death Star 1 size than to Armada Fusion Cube size.

A Standard Cube is ~3 km along each side of the cube (Might be off by single digit meters given all the greeblies).

A Fusion Cube is just a 2x2x2 array of Standard Cubes = 8x Cubes joined.
That makes it 6 km along each side.

The Borg Queen's Radio Tower Cube ain't 6 km given how large the Galaxy Class is.
Oh yeah I wasn't being precise. It dwarfs a fusion cube. Something this big is probably the largest starship encountered since the Voth and V'Ger(which is far larger). I can't think of anything else quite so large. It's far larger than the STIV probe or the starjellies from EaFP. It's the size of a small moon.

I wonder if it is made up of the Unicomplex reconfigured. I certainly hope so. That'd be a good AMA question. I hope someone fixes Memory Alpha's entry because it treats this and 'normal" cubes as the same.
 
Who said it was jettisoned?

It's the 24th century.

Picard can have 2x Wives.

I don't see what's wrong with Polygamy, as long as everybody is copecetic with the love / marriage arrangement and everybody is fine being married to whomever they want, I don't see a problem with JLP having 2x wives.


She did the most important thing, figure out how to save her husband & friends.

She realized that getting the ship closer to the people will have the ships Transporter Signal be strong enough to over-ride and beam out her Husband & Friends.

That's why she moved the Enterprise to be almost on top of Picard, Jack, Will, Worf.

When the ship is that physically close, I doubt that the Borg Queen's signal can outpower the Enterprise-D's.

There is NO WAY Picard and Beverly are together. They tried that on and off over the years and it never lasted. Plus even though Picard was cool about it when facing death there's no way Bev keeping Jack from him is not going to come up again. Next time Beverly was a bit too long at the shops Picard is going to be wondering if she's visiting a secret daughter she never bothered to mention, or if she's in Starfleet Intelligence or if she's candle shopping.

Even though Picard the tv show has been obsessed with everyone revisiting the past I would hope they both had fresh futures without each other as baggage heavy lovers.
 
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